15:39:47 RRSAgent has joined #pbg 15:39:47 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/03/27-pbg-irc 15:39:48 rrsagent, set log public 15:39:48 Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco 15:39:48 Chair: Luc 15:39:48 Date: 2018-03-27 15:39:48 Regrets+ Cristina, Laurent, rkwright, jkamata, Wolfgang 15:39:48 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018Mar/0042.html 15:39:49 ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-03-27: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018Mar/0042.html 15:55:08 Avneesh has joined #pbg 15:59:30 present+ 15:59:55 mateus has joined #pbg 16:00:08 present+ 16:00:37 present+ 16:01:02 liisamk has joined #pbg 16:01:13 present+ Karen 16:01:17 present+ dauwhe 16:01:22 Brian has joined #pbg 16:01:25 Dan_Sanicola has joined #pbg 16:01:30 present+ 16:01:33 George has joined #pbg 16:01:34 present+ 16:01:44 present+ 16:01:50 present+ George 16:02:11 Bill_Kasdorf has joined #pbg 16:02:21 present+ 16:02:21 present+ 16:02:38 laudrain has joined #pbg 16:03:50 present+ 16:05:09 scribenick: Rachel 16:05:16 present+ 16:05:25 topic: epub 3.2 16:05:29 Chair: Liisa 16:05:34 Topic: EPUB 3.2 update 16:05:38 present+ 16:05:50 dauwhe: matt garish has been hard at work on 3.2 and multiple issues have been opened in github 16:05:51 scribenick: Rachel 16:06:05 ...we plan to have a community group call a week from thursday 16:06:06 https://github.com/w3c/publ-epub-revision/issues 16:06:17 ...in the meantime, file and comment on issues! 16:06:20 q+ 16:06:29 ack Karen 16:06:49 Karen: would it be appropriate to do a followup blog post to encourage ebookcrafters to take a look? 16:06:57 dauwhe: I already promised to write one 16:07:07 topic: PR strategy for 3.2 16:07:11 Subtopic: PR strategy 16:07:28 q+ 16:07:43 q+ 16:07:48 dauwhe: we're going to write a blog post about what 3.2 is, why we're doing it, and who it impacts 16:08:05 liisamk: we can send a link to the business group but there are other ways to get it out there 16:08:21 laudrain: do we still need to explain why we are doing it? Now is the time to do it. 16:08:24 ack laudrain 16:08:43 q+ 16:08:50 dauwhe: we're talking about sharing those reasons with a larger group of people (not revisiting if we should) 16:08:57 ack tzviya 16:09:32 tzviya: I was going to suggest (not sure of cross posting policies at w3c) that we cross post with blogs like epubsecrets 16:09:43 ivan: we have no problem doing that 16:09:49 +1 EPUB Secrets 16:10:00 tzviya: dauwhe and I can follow up with Laura Brady 16:10:05 ack BillM 16:10:52 BillM: I think for the broader audience we could push to publishers weekly, etc. since this is the CG delivering on the first update to epub in a while 16:11:11 liisamk: this leads us into promoting epub3 in general 16:11:31 ... we need to be clear that you shouldn't wait for 3.2 if you're not making epub3 now 16:11:41 +1 to not waiting for 3.2 16:12:09 dauwhe: the idea is if you're making 3.1, you're making 3.2 16:12:12 q+ 16:12:27 s/3.1/3.0.1 16:12:29 ... or even worse people may think "Web Publications is on the way so we won't do EPUB 3 at all" 16:12:33 liisamk: I'm more concerned about people still using epub2 that might wait to switch 16:12:54 George: there is a BISG group working on promoting epub3 16:12:58 we need to promote the message that EPUB 3 is alive and well and thriving under W3C custodianship 16:13:12 ack Brian 16:13:18 Brian: what George said 16:13:41 ... our efforts are largely focused on north america 16:13:46 q+ 16:14:25 +1 use external coordination group to help with outreach communications 16:14:27 q+ 16:14:45 liisamk: BillK can we use the external coordination effort to push this forward as well 16:15:19 dauwhe: we should keep the focus on epub3 and not consider the impact of the numbers after the decimal 16:15:22 ack dauwhe 16:15:23 +1 to Dave 16:15:37 +1 to epub3 (rather than epub3.145...) 16:15:48 ack Karen 16:16:04 q+ 16:16:19 Karen: livre book canada offered to assist in outreach to more canadian pubs 16:16:25 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:16:37 q+ 16:16:41 Bill_Kasdorf: I also got a good response from booknet canada in that regard 16:16:47 https://livrescanadabooks.com/en/canadian-publishers/publishers-associations-and-related-organizations/ 16:16:53 liisamk: sounds as though we are in agreement that this is the right direction 16:17:11 ...a second step would be short and sweet talking points to share 16:17:14 ack Brian 16:18:00 Brian: it is important to have booknet canada because they are working more within canada while livre focuses on international sale of canadian books 16:18:27 ...the push is similar to our push with Onix3 in the BISG 16:18:27 q+ 16:18:33 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:18:51 Bill_Kasdorf: joshua tallent is leading the charge and we're getting a good response from trading partners 16:19:21 topic: epubcheck 16:19:40 liisamk: let's talk about crowdsourcing funding 16:20:00 ...it might be a good idea to put out an RFP for doing the work on epubcheck 16:20:07 ... how it would be build, cost, etc 16:20:15 ...this gives us greater transarency 16:20:29 s/transarency/transparency/ 16:20:42 ...in the meantime while we put out the RFP, we can also put out a request for issues especially from bigger partners that use it 16:20:45 q+ 16:20:45 q+ 16:20:48 +1 to bidding out 16:20:54 ack BillM 16:21:39 BillM: we might want to word the RFP to suggest that we can provide promotional credit on the tool to keep costs down on development 16:21:44 q+ 16:22:07 liisamk: we did also discuss that that could be an offer in crowdsourcing the funding 16:22:10 ack tzviya 16:22:12 q+ 16:22:53 q- as Tzviya said what I wanted to say 16:23:06 tzviya: I love the idea of the RFP. I received an email from one of the devs at Kobo offering to help. I have a lot of trouble asking a developer for a cut rate - I would like to offer them the money their time is worth 16:23:06 q? 16:23:09 q- 16:23:36 BillM: I was thinking more about asking companies to offer us a discount while the dev gets paid market rate 16:23:42 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:23:58 Bill_Kasdorf: is this meant to be ongoing, or just fix and done 16:24:32 q? 16:24:48 tzviya: I think we need to hammer out the details of the fundraising 16:25:13 ...we're lose on the structure... last week we told conference members if you do want to contribute, tell Bill 16:26:05 topic: external coordination 16:26:32 Bill_Kasdorf: we have gotten several good responses but we would like more people to sign on in terms of external coordination with other organizations 16:26:42 ...the list is quickly getting pretty large 16:27:23 ...we need either a blanket communication to various organizations or if we want 'real' engagement which involves someone saying I will manage xyz coordination 16:27:35 ...if we do the latter, we need more people on the task force 16:27:48 ...it would be ideal if each member coordinated with one org 16:27:58 ... but that may not be practical 16:28:01 q+ 16:28:29 ...what I'd like is more input and participation 16:28:40 ...but membership remains an issue 16:28:42 q+ 16:29:04 ...this isn't simply publicizing what we're doing but also making sure we're not creating problems for anyone else 16:29:15 ...ie Japan's issue with the versioning 16:29:24 ack Brian 16:30:22 Brian: i'm empathetic with the overview from Bill_Kasdorf - one thing I would suggest for the task force is to operationalize it with input on a timed basis 16:30:31 ...the time can be difficult to manager 16:30:36 ack Avneesh 16:31:11 q+ 16:31:12 Avneesh: this is largely outreach and marketing. putting this in the BG provides restrictions to the number of people that can get involved 16:31:22 ...should we have a CG focused on this? 16:31:50 q+ 16:32:18 ivan: I'm not sure our business people will be happy with that 16:32:26 ...on a larger scale it is fairly easy to do 16:32:29 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:32:45 ack George 16:33:14 q+ 16:33:45 George: one of the focus of the communication is adoption without fragmentation (like having companies do their own accessibility guidelines) - having everyone work together will be important 16:33:54 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:34:50 Bill_Kasdorf: on the subject ivan raise, when the task force chairs gathered we decided to focus on communication not recruitment to avoid undermining BillM efforts for recruitment 16:34:56 q+ 16:35:00 ivan: are you in favor or not of a CG? 16:35:08 Bill_Kasdorf: I need time to consider 16:35:12 ack BillM 16:36:26 q+ 16:36:37 BillM: whether we need a new community group or putting this work under the existing CG aside, the question about recruiting new members is geared more toward working on CSS, web fonts etc - areas outside of the publishing groups 16:37:17 ack Bill_Kasdorf 16:37:50 Bill_Kasdorf: another thing to keep in mind for the task force is not companies that might join the task force, we're talking about organization that have members 16:38:28 Topic: epub requirements 16:38:49 liisamk: I apologize that the grid in drive had limited permissions 16:38:55 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hsd6-d2gac5QFHw7lM927hjRV1CEh_80qcaTO3ddBbE/edit#gid=0 16:39:39 ...Please encourage people who have suggestions to contribute 16:40:25 q+ 16:40:32 ... we are sending out revised calendar invites to meet the international scheduling needs 16:40:36 ack ivan 16:40:50 ivan: we need to make sure go to meeting is available 16:40:54 q+ 16:42:48 proposal is to have a meeting at 7pm ET 16:43:49 next call is April 10th 16:44:08 12:00 eastern 16:44:11 pm 16:44:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:44:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/27-pbg-minutes.html ivan