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19:39:22 <SimonCox> Meeting: DCAT team 2018-03-21
19:40:10 <SimonCox> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.21
19:40:20 <SimonCox> chair: SimonCox
19:42:00 <SimonCox> regrets: Erik Mannens, AndreaPerego, Alejandra
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20:01:25 <SimonCox> regrets: Makx
20:02:30 <SimonCox> regrets: PWinstanley
20:02:34 <arminhaller> present+ arminhaller
20:02:41 <SimonCox> present+
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20:05:01 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: will you join the voice call?
20:05:16 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:05:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> yes i  am connecting
20:06:35 <SimonCox> scribenick: riccardoAlbertoni
20:07:02 <SimonCox> Topic: confirm agenda https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.21
20:07:48 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: any changes to the agenda?
20:08:18 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: are we enough people?
20:08:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: we circulated the proposal we have regrets and people have posted their opinions
20:09:11 <SimonCox> thats why I warned people and put votes in the issues - to invite participation asynchronously
20:09:24 <SimonCox> we have 4 here and 5 regrets = 9 total
20:09:42 <SimonCox> issues can be reopened if any one is unhappy
20:09:54 <SimonCox> topic: approve minutes
20:10:06 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/03/14-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:10:29 <arminhaller> +1
20:10:30 <SimonCox> +1
20:10:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was absent)
20:10:41 <DaveBrowning> 0
20:10:53 <SimonCox> topic: FPWD
20:11:03 <SimonCox> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
20:11:31 <SimonCox> we will need a vote to release in 2-3 weeks
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20:12:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: we need consensum on the FPWD
20:12:31 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> present+
20:12:35 <arminhaller> q+
20:13:14 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:13:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: the vote will be in the plenary won't it?
20:14:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: yes of course
20:14:54 <SimonCox> Action: SImon to fix missing gap in date
20:14:54 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
20:15:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: some error on FPWD when visualizing in firefox, and other browser
20:15:25 <SimonCox> Action: SimonCox alert list that vote to release FPWD from team to plenary next week
20:15:25 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
20:15:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/error/errors
20:15:47 <SimonCox> topic: milestones and wiki pages
20:16:08 <SimonCox> milestones https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestones
20:16:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: i build some milestones
20:17:26 <SimonCox> wiki pages https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki
20:17:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> i was trying to pull together some issues for example about licence, for each of the milestone there is a wiki page
20:18:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> ... for the moment all the discussion is on the github
20:18:25 <SimonCox> two wiki pages have some content:
20:18:26 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-aspects---semantics
20:18:34 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-service
20:19:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> ... i am trying to encourage the people working on profile negotiation
20:19:35 <arminhaller> @SimonCox great work!
20:19:43 <SimonCox> q?
20:19:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> ... wiki pages can be used to put down proposal which are difficult with issues thread
20:19:53 <arminhaller> q+
20:20:00 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:21:34 <SimonCox> encourage interested participants to add to Wiki pages
20:21:55 <SimonCox> Topic: issues close to resolution
20:22:32 <SimonCox> 1. https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/117 dcat:dataset
20:23:06 <SimonCox> q?
20:23:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: the consensum here seem to be not to make any changes
20:23:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> ..any discussion ?
20:23:27 <SimonCox> Proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
20:23:32 <arminhaller> q+
20:23:32 <SimonCox> +1
20:23:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:23:38 <SimonCox> ack arm
20:23:39 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:23:40 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:23:42 <arminhaller> 0
20:24:13 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: I want to justify my neutral  vote ...
20:25:09 <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
20:25:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: in this case the max's argument about dcat backbone is very convincing to me ..
20:25:29 <SimonCox> q?
20:25:52 <SimonCox> resolution: no change to domain/range of dcat:dataset
20:26:13 <SimonCox> dcat:record https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/118
20:26:34 <SimonCox> q?
20:26:46 <arminhaller> 0
20:26:48 <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:record
20:26:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: basic is the same motivation, not to change due to DCAT backbone
20:27:00 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:27:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:27:03 <SimonCox> +1
20:27:20 <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:record
20:27:37 <SimonCox> dcat:distribution https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/120
20:27:55 <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range on dcat:distribution
20:28:12 <SimonCox> +1
20:28:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:28:26 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:28:39 <arminhaller> 0 and definitely an inverse here
20:28:57 <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range on dcat:distribution
20:29:16 <SimonCox> dcat:themeTaxonomy https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/119
20:30:08 <SimonCox> proposed: no change to domain/range of dcat:themeTaxonomy
20:30:09 <SimonCox> +1
20:30:12 <arminhaller> q+
20:30:19 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:30:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: i do not really buy the argument that this is a property bound to the catalog ..
20:32:58 <arminhaller> 0
20:33:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: if the goal of dcat was to establish a vocabulary to be reused in the semantic web, you are perfectly right, but the case here is to describe a catalog ... not reuse the properties in SW
20:33:19 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:33:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:33:38 <SimonCox> resolved: no change to domain/range of dcat:themeTaxonomy
20:33:58 <SimonCox> dcat:keyword https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/121
20:34:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox: here the proposal was to drop the domain constraint
20:34:54 <SimonCox> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:35:29 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni explain issue comment https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/121#issuecomment-375021487
20:36:20 <SimonCox> q?
20:36:37 <arminhaller> q+
20:36:49 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:37:11 <SimonCox> q+
20:37:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:37:42 <SimonCox> arminhaller: argues to make dcat:keyword reusable more broadly
20:37:57 <SimonCox> ack SimonCox
20:40:18 <SimonCox> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:40:22 <SimonCox> q?
20:40:48 <SimonCox> dcat:theme and dcat:keyword are merely sub-properties of dct:subject
20:42:37 <SimonCox> other candidate specializations of dct:subject here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-aspects---semantics
20:43:11 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: need better documentation on use and intention of dcat:keyword and dcat:theme
20:43:33 <SimonCox> proposed: remove domain on dcat:keyword
20:43:38 <SimonCox> +1
20:43:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:43:43 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:43:49 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:44:12 <arminhaller> +1
20:44:19 <SimonCox> resolved: relax (remove) domain constraint on dcat:keyword
20:44:40 <SimonCox> dcat:theme https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/123
20:44:55 <SimonCox> q?
20:45:01 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> s/resolved/resolution
20:45:08 <SimonCox> proposed: relax domain constraint on dcat:theme
20:45:10 <SimonCox> +1
20:45:17 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:45:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:45:18 <arminhaller> +1
20:45:22 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:45:30 <SimonCox> resolved: relax (remove) domain constraint on dcat:theme
20:45:43 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:46:05 <SimonCox> Action: riccardoAlbertoni to propose some text clarifying use and intention of dcat:theme vs dcat:keyword
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20:46:09 <DaveBrowning> q-
20:46:23 <arminhaller> being a broken record, dcat:theme and dcat:themeTaxonomy is strange wording, if the domain of theme:Taxonomy is Catalo
20:46:37 <arminhaller> s/Catalo/Catalog
20:46:57 <SimonCox> dcat:mediaType https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/127
20:47:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> SimonCox:  not sure this is one ready to be resolved..
20:47:42 <SimonCox> q?
20:47:47 <arminhaller> q+
20:47:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> ... any contribution to the discussion..
20:47:58 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:49:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: the dicussion is around the mediatype range ...  but the argument here is common practice, but common practice change...
20:49:49 <SimonCox> arminhaller: dcterms:MediaTypeOrExtent as range has been common practice - lets check if that is still the case?
20:50:26 <SimonCox> Action: arminhaller look if dcterms:MediaTypeOrExtent is still common practice?
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20:50:30 <arminhaller> s/practice change/practice may have changed
20:51:08 <SimonCox> dcat:landingPage https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/122
20:51:49 <SimonCox> proposed: relax/remove domain constraint on dcat:landingPage
20:51:56 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:51:58 <SimonCox> +1
20:52:20 <arminhaller> +1
20:52:47 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:53:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:53:51 <SimonCox> resolved: relax/remove domain constraint on dcat:landingPage
20:54:10 <SimonCox> what about range constraint? rdfs:range foaf:Document ;   rdfs:subPropertyOf foaf:Page ;
20:54:55 <SimonCox> foaf:Document is broader class than web-page!
20:55:27 <arminhaller> q?
20:55:33 <SimonCox> should a landing page be always a list-of-distributions?
20:55:48 <arminhaller> q=
20:55:51 <arminhaller> q+
20:56:03 <SimonCox> q?
20:56:07 <SimonCox> ack arminhaller
20:57:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> arminhaller: i am not sure we need to qualify a landing page.. any url should be ok ..
20:57:48 <SimonCox> arminhaller: maybe need another kind of link to landing-pages
20:57:56 <SimonCox> ... in addition
20:58:20 <SimonCox> Propose: no change to range of dcat:landingPage
20:58:43 <SimonCox> (on the understanding that there is a bigger conversation to be had around links out to landing pages)
20:58:51 <SimonCox> +1
20:58:57 <arminhaller> +1
20:59:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:59:02 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1 (foaf:homepage also has range foaf:Document)
20:59:07 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:59:10 <SimonCox> i.e. close https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/122 for now
20:59:30 <SimonCox> resolved: no change to range of dcat:landingPage
20:59:56 <SimonCox> q?
21:00:06 <SimonCox> Topic: AOB
21:00:14 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> s/resolved/resolution
21:00:40 <riccardoAlbertoni>  rrsagent, create minutes
21:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlbertoni
21:01:00 <SimonCox> rrsagent generate minutes v2
21:01:37 <SimonCox> rrsagent, generate minutes v.2
21:01:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minutes v.2', SimonCox.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
21:02:20 <SimonCox> rrsagent, format the minutes
21:02:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox
21:05:14 <SimonCox> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:05:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox
21:06:25 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> my changes of 'resolved' into 'resolution' may have broken the minutes generation... sorry
21:06:56 <SimonCox> I've captured the IRC log and will send it to Dave Raggett
21:07:17 <SimonCox> list attendees
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