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20:57:22 <kcoyle> present+
20:57:33 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
20:58:56 <PWinstanley> present+
20:59:25 <kcoyle> regrets+ Ixchel, Andrea
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21:04:29 <kcoyle> regrets+ David Browning, Antoine Isaac
21:05:17 <SimonCOx> scribenick: SimonCOx
21:05:43 <SimonCOx> Topic: admin
21:05:58 <SimonCOx> proposed: approve minutes of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2018/03/13-dxwg-minutes
21:06:27 <annette_g> I'm missing from regrets
21:06:27 <SimonCOx> +1
21:06:38 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:06:41 <LarsG> +1
21:06:45 <PWinstanley> +1
21:06:46 <SimonCOx> regrets: Ixchel
21:06:52 <annette_g> other than that, +1
21:06:57 <annette_g> not supre important
21:07:06 <SimonCOx> regrets: dave browning, andrea, antoine
21:07:11 <LarsG> q+ to ask about good standing
21:07:25 <SimonCOx> ack LarsG
21:07:25 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to ask about good standing
21:07:41 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
21:07:51 <SimonCOx> recording regrets helps retain good standing under W3C process
21:08:07 <SimonCOx> to remain in good standing need to attend or send regrets
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21:08:34 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#good-standing
21:08:37 <SimonCOx> Action: on DSR to add annette_g to March 13 regrets
21:08:37 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
21:08:59 <SimonCOx> Action: DSR to add annette_g to March 13 regrets
21:09:08 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
21:09:29 <SimonCOx> topic: planning for f2f 3
21:11:16 <SimonCOx> PWinstanley: creative idea to avoid US/Europe venue, suggests possibly meeting in E Asia - KL, Singapore, HK
21:12:17 <SimonCOx> ... some unis have outposts e.g. Heriott Watt, MIT have campuses near KL
21:12:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:12:50 <annette_g> present+
21:12:58 <annette_g> q+
21:12:58 <kcoyle> q?
21:12:59 <SimonCOx> ... do any other WG members have affiliations which could provide a venue in or near KL?
21:13:06 <SimonCOx> ack annette_g
21:13:42 <SimonCOx> annette_g: foreign travel is a -ve no matter how far, also others
21:13:49 <PWinstanley> s/Heriott/Heriot/
21:14:37 <SimonCOx> q+
21:14:47 <SimonCOx> ack SimonCOx `
21:14:48 <kcoyle> ack SimonCOx
21:15:52 <annette_g> q+
21:16:28 <PWinstanley> https://www.skyscanner.net/ is a good tool to check options
21:17:43 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
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21:18:42 <kcoyle> kcoyle: thinking about f2f is to dig into the condept of profiles and decide what we mean by guidance
21:18:47 <SimonCox_> scribenick: SimonCox_
21:19:16 <SimonCox_> SimonCOx: says AUssies are used to being inconvenienced
21:19:23 <PWinstanley> annette_g: the major routes and places that we've had f2f suggests Australia as a logical option
21:19:32 <SimonCox_> kcoyle: goal of f2f is to make progress on profiles
21:19:35 <SimonCox_> q+
21:19:46 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox_
21:22:01 <kcoyle> SimonCox_: Rob is working on this
21:23:03 <SimonCox_> I've created some stub Wiki pages where I hope some better profile material can be created https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT-Profiles-Topics
21:23:17 <SimonCox_> q+
21:23:31 <SimonCox_> Action: kcoyle to make proposal about f2f
21:23:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Make proposal about f2f [on Karen Coyle - due 2018-03-27].
21:24:01 <SimonCox_> q?
21:24:06 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox_
21:24:07 <SimonCox_> ack SimonCox_
21:25:53 <SimonCox_> kcoyle: an alternative to f2f is to have 3 days of 4 hour telecons (for example)
21:26:40 <SimonCox_> topic: open action items
21:26:50 <SimonCox_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:28:46 <SimonCox_> topic: plenary schedule
21:30:06 <SimonCox_> https://doodle.com/poll/duqqsivqc66wmmb7
21:31:05 <annette_g> I can do 7:00 am
21:33:58 <SimonCox_> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20180402&p1=152&p2=224&p3=43&p4=304&p5=215
21:35:06 <kcoyle> proposal: keep same UTC time 21:00 and same day (Tuesday)
21:37:46 <kcoyle> PROPOSED:  Time 20:00 UTC and on Tuesdays
21:37:54 <PWinstanley> +1
21:37:59 <annette_g> +1
21:38:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:38:19 <SimonCox_> +0.5
21:38:22 <LarsG> +1 (0.75)
21:38:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:39:23 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: Time 20:00 UTC and on Tuesdays
21:40:20 <SimonCox_> ... and every second week
21:40:24 <SimonCox_> topic: use cases
21:40:39 <SimonCox_> jaroslav has offered two new UCs
21:40:40 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:40:53 <kcoyle> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/jaro_relax_property_domain_range_usecase/ucr/index.html#ID51
21:41:01 <kcoyle> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/jaro_real_world_context/ucr/index.html#ID52
21:41:04 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:41:43 <SimonCox_> Simon's alternative version of #51
21:41:44 <SimonCox_> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/simon-jaro_relax_property_domain_range_usecase/ucr/index.html#ID51
21:41:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/simon-jaro_relax_property_domain_range_usecase/ucr/index.html#ID51
21:42:46 <kcoyle> SimonCox_: was responding to issues of backward compatibility; make only necessary changes
21:45:52 <SimonCox_> proposed: add UC #ID51 using Simon's wording
21:46:08 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:46:11 <SimonCox_> +1
21:46:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:46:25 <annette_g> +1
21:46:27 <LarsG> +1
21:46:39 <PWinstanley> +1
21:46:48 <SimonCox_> Resolved: add UC #ID51 using https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/simon-jaro_relax_property_domain_range_usecase/ucr/index.html#ID51
21:47:44 <kcoyle> q?
21:48:10 <PWinstanley> q+
21:48:17 <SimonCox_> This is also relevant https://www.w3.org/TR/sdw-bp/#spatial-things-features-and-geometry
21:48:23 <SimonCox_> ack PWinstanley
21:48:29 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
21:48:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> we are talking about this UC: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/jaro_real_world_context/ucr/index.html#ID52
21:48:41 <SimonCox_> PWinstanley: many real-world-things have limited lifetime
21:48:50 <SimonCox_> ... why treat specially?
21:49:22 <SimonCox_> Jaroslav_Pullmann: important rwt are sources for data
21:50:12 <kcoyle> q?
21:50:16 <SimonCox_> q+
21:51:40 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:51:59 <kcoyle> q+
21:52:01 <annette_g> q+
21:52:08 <SimonCox_> ack SimonCox_
21:52:51 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:52:56 <SimonCox_> PWinstanley: worried about which rwt can be reliably and persistently identified
21:53:10 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
21:53:12 <SimonCox_> Jaroslav_Pullmann: often it is the type that needs to be identified, not jsut the instance
21:53:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:53:31 <SimonCox_> annette_g: what is special for DCAT here?
21:53:34 <SimonCox_> q+
21:53:43 <SimonCox_> ack kcoyle
21:54:08 <SimonCox_> kcoyle: this is not original, of course there will be rwt involved
21:54:11 <kcoyle> ack kcoyle
21:54:16 <SimonCox_> ... rwt is too broad to be useful
21:54:20 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:54:45 <SimonCox_> Jaroslav_Pullmann: 'real world entity' is not important terminology
21:55:10 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox_
21:56:43 <SimonCox_> SimonCox_: what DCAT predicate is used to link a Dataset to a rwe?
21:57:55 <SimonCox_> SimonCox_: need to improve documentation in DCAT about how to link to rwe
21:58:14 <PWinstanley> doesn't BFO have material and immaterial entities?
21:58:15 <kcoyle> straw poll: ID 52
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21:58:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:58:25 <SimonCox_> Jaroslav_Pullmann: possibly dct:subject and dcat:theme are too generic
21:58:27 <SimonCox_> +1
21:58:27 <annette_g> -1 not convinced this is useful
21:58:30 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:58:33 <PWinstanley> 0
21:58:38 <LarsG> 0
21:58:53 <annette_g> It would help me to see an actual use case spelled out.
21:59:23 <SimonCox_> action: Jaroslav_Pullmann and DCAT team to clarify UC
21:59:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - And dcat team to clarify uc [on Jaroslav Pullmann - due 2018-03-27].
22:00:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  bye thanks!
22:00:31 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
22:00:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/20-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:00:32 <SimonCox_> RRSAgent: generate minutes
22:00:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/20-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox_
22:00:32 <LarsG> Bye
22:00:33 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
22:00:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
22:00:49 <SimonCox_> chair: kcoyle
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22:01:14 <SimonCox_> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
22:01:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/20-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox_
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