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20:43:57 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:44:48 <PWinstanley> regrets+ DaveBrowning
20:45:11 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
20:45:31 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Makx Dekkers
20:50:02 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Antoine Isaac
20:50:20 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Nicholas Car
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21:00:43 <roba> * has there been an unplanned time shift then?
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21:02:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
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21:03:06 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
21:03:15 <kcoyle> present+
21:03:24 <kcoyle> TOPIC: Admin
21:03:35 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: approve minutes of March 6
21:04:01 <LarsG> +0 (wasn't there...)
21:04:12 <PWinstanley> +1
21:04:13 <kcoyle> regrets+ Dave Browning, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran, Makx Dekkers, Antoine Isaac, Nicholas Car, Ixchel Faniel
21:04:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:04:35 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve minutes of March 6
21:06:05 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: need to decide soon about f2f3
21:06:39 <kcoyle> Topic: More Admin
21:07:57 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> o.k. this is the same time we have now
21:08:10 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: there is a small time poll, since there are only a few choices
21:08:24 <LarsG> present+
21:11:13 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: either 6am Australia, or late in CET
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21:12:07 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:12:26 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:12:39 <roba> * link for poll ?
21:12:52 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: 11-midnight hard, but what about bi-weekly?
21:13:04 <PWinstanley> https://doodle.com/poll/duqqsivqc66wmmb7
21:13:09 <SimonCox> I'm in a noisy Cafe so muted
21:13:41 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we are planning on every 2 weeks beginning in April; heavy workload with subgroups,so we need to make this as easy as possible
21:13:56 <kcoyle> ... we need to figure out a time ASAP
21:14:23 <kcoyle> TOPIC: OPEN action items
21:14:52 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: close 91
21:15:54 <kcoyle> larsG: ACTION-81 Lars has created text, being reviewed by other editors
21:16:02 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: let's close that action
21:16:25 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:16:26 <kcoyle> kcoyle: 81 and 91 closed now
21:17:36 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: 82 is done
21:18:24 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: rob will report on 88-89 next meeting
21:19:10 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: has drafted response, in notes area of action
21:19:31 <kcoyle> (that was action-90)
21:20:02 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: new use cases 161, 162 from Alexiev
21:21:15 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: need a summary of github thread to make decision clear
21:21:34 <roba> issue #161
21:22:10 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: editors can summarize this; it's complex because it is the relationship between dcat and dq
21:22:16 <roba> q+
21:22:21 <kcoyle> ... can discuss on dcat telecon tomorrow
21:23:35 <SimonCox> Q+
21:23:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> there is no sound ..?
21:23:39 <roba> * seem to have lost audio..
21:23:43 <roba> q-
21:23:57 <roba> * heard karen!
21:24:13 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:25:12 <kcoyle> SimonCox: is figuring out how DCAT can manage external vocabs a use case? what is the nature of this use case?
21:26:04 <kcoyle> ... can DCAT use components from other vocabs? that seems to be a meta issue
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21:26:23 <PWinstanley_> present+
21:26:35 <kcoyle> ... need a rich way to describe sizes of datasets, but this is not that use case
21:27:08 <roba> q+
21:27:17 <PWinstanley_> ack roba
21:27:35 <SimonCox> The issue was about data set size & also size of subsets
21:27:51 <SimonCox> Those are important requirements
21:27:52 <kcoyle> roba: the use case has two parts: what sorts of entities are included? and what is the size?
21:28:28 <kcoyle> ... what types of data is a definite use case; using other vocabularies should be a given?
21:28:36 <SimonCox> Whether the solution is to use existing vocabs is downstream question
21:29:34 <SimonCox> But the UC (perhaps refined, perhaps two of them) needs to be put on the stack
21:29:47 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: we need a distillation of the actual issues with both of these so we can decide whether to add them to the ucr document
21:30:17 <SimonCox> Action is be on UC editors to add these to the current document
21:30:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Be on uc editors to add these to the current document [on Ingo Simonis - due 2018-03-20].
21:30:46 <SimonCox> Yikes, zakim too clever
21:30:51 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: needs a terse proposal since these are very meaty; it needs to be something testable
21:31:31 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: ucr group will bring these to plenary for decision
21:31:38 <SimonCox> Alexei did construct the UC in a UC template - start with that surely
21:32:30 <kcoyle> TOPIC: REPORT OF DCAT subgroup
21:32:43 <SimonCox> Q+
21:33:05 <roba> will be travelling to europe next week - can try to do edit on the plane if we have finished discussions by Sat.
21:33:38 <kcoyle> SimonCox: having productive meetings although not closing as many issues as hoped; will need to look at some topics here
21:33:53 <kcoyle> ... small group working of licenses and rights
21:34:26 <kcoyle> ... there is now an editor's draft, ready for FPWD with areas marked as undergoing discussion
21:35:03 <kcoyle> ... now have four separate RDF 'artifacts' in document area
21:36:08 <kcoyle> ... also struggling with timing of telecons; DCAT subgroup is in Boston time.
21:36:27 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: good progress is being made by the group and things are on schedule
21:37:05 <SimonCox> Present+
21:37:12 <SimonCox> Now leaving
21:37:18 <kcoyle> Topic: profile negotiation group
21:37:23 <kcoyle> LarsG: Nothing at this time
21:38:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: what would help speed things along?
21:38:40 <kcoyle> LarsG: everyone in the group is busy. (group is Lars, Ruben and Rob)
21:39:03 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: should we try to add someone else to the group?
21:39:10 <kcoyle> LarsG: not sure at this time
21:39:52 <kcoyle> q?
21:40:49 <kcoyle> roba: core of the work was the draft; not sure what I could do although email may help
21:41:15 <kcoyle> q+
21:41:20 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:41:35 <PWinstanley_> ack kcoyle
21:41:40 <LarsG> q+ to talk about moving the FPWD
21:42:34 <PWinstanley_> ack LarsG
21:42:34 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to talk about moving the FPWD
21:42:45 <roba> q+
21:42:47 <kcoyle> kcoyle: what could we discuss at f2f that would help?
21:43:11 <kcoyle> LarsG: the FPWD will not be at the end of this month; no idea for a new milestone
21:43:47 <PWinstanley_> ack roba
21:44:19 <kcoyle> roba: issue of what a profile is and negotiation can be decoupled because conneg use may be lightweight
21:44:39 <kcoyle> ... what a profile is could be a discussion for the DCAT group
21:46:28 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: over next few weeks need to develop new milestones, approach so that we have a new schedule; chip away from different angles
21:46:51 <kcoyle> ... FPWD gives folks a sense of direction, highlights issues that need resolving
21:47:39 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: added to f2f offer to help close to Koln (right, Jaro?)
21:47:58 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/Koln/Cologne/
21:48:44 <kcoyle> PWinstanley_: reminder to fill in time poll for future meetings
21:48:48 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> thank you, bye!
21:48:53 <LarsG> bye all
21:48:53 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
21:49:02 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please generate minutes v2
21:49:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/13-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle