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15:37:16 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
15:37:16 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
15:37:16 <ivan> Date: 2018-03-12
15:37:16 <ivan> Regrets+ evan, rkwright, rdeltour, josh, nickruffilo
15:37:16 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Mar/0026.html
15:37:17 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-03-12: hhttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Mar/0026.html
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16:01:19 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
16:01:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dauwhe
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16:02:12 <dauwhe> tzviya: shall we approve the minutes?
16:02:12 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minu5-tes/2018/2018-03-05-minutes
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16:02:35 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved
16:02:48 <dauwhe> ... anyone new joining the call this week?
16:03:25 <cmaden2> present+ Chris_Maden
16:03:29 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's review some F2F logistics/agenda stuff
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16:03:54 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qe8Q8wMC1LKy_-JO-UCy8bFw4D4VN0si1Q5EPW9c-rY/edit#
16:03:55 <pkra> present+ pkra
16:03:56 <ivan> present+ George
16:04:06 <dauwhe> caller 04, could you mute yourself?
16:04:11 <marisa> present+
16:04:15 <ivan> Topic: F2F meeting
16:04:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: here's a link to F2F info
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16:04:25 <dauwhe> ... please propose agenda items there
16:04:26 <bigbluehat> present+
16:04:32 <dauwhe> ... please add your name if you're attending
16:04:58 <dauwhe> ... Wendy said she will send a link so we can book on our own, but that hasn't happened yet
16:05:04 <dauwhe> ... but we need to talk about the agenda
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16:05:17 <dauwhe> ... we need to think of deliverables for before the F2F
16:05:19 <Hadrien> present+
16:05:24 <George> present+ George
16:05:34 <dauwhe> ... one of the goals of the task forces was for them to accomplish something before the F2F
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16:05:49 <duga> present+
16:05:52 <dauwhe> ... Jasmine/Matteus, can you give us an overview of what you hope to accomplish before the F2F?
16:06:09 <tzviya> s/Matteus/Mateus
16:06:11 <dauwhe> mateus: one of our goals is to review open issues, and identify ones that can close
16:06:20 <dauwhe> ... and then look at tech requirements for open issues
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16:06:31 <dauwhe> ... and then have a draft towards completion of the affordances section
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16:06:45 <dauwhe> jasminemulliken: I don't have the issue link
16:06:49 <MustLazMS> present+
16:07:04 <dauwhe> mateus: I have the link, just a moment
16:07:06 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/labels/topic%3Aaffordances
16:07:07 <mateus> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Atopic%3Aaffordances
16:07:16 <dauwhe> jasminemulliken: and we hope to do a call this week
16:07:23 <dauwhe> mateus: we have a few times that might work
16:07:48 <dauwhe> ... having a call this week would make sense, tuesday or wednesday
16:08:00 <dauwhe> ivan: I am supposed to set up a webex?
16:08:07 <dauwhe> mateus: yes, I'll confirm with you
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16:08:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: there were problems with doodle and DST
16:08:23 <zheng_xu> present+
16:09:26 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: the WAM task force will work on anything tagged with that label
16:09:36 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/labels/topic%3Amanifest
16:09:42 <dauwhe> ... we're mostly focusing on direct requests
16:10:04 <dauwhe> ... especially things that have applicability outside publishing
16:10:18 <tzviya> q?
16:10:23 <dauwhe> ivan: did I miss a call for timing?
16:10:48 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: there's a doodle poll; there will be an email about a call soon
16:11:00 <dauwhe> ... we'll go through the list on the first call
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16:11:18 <dauwhe> ... then work on github, then a follow-up call
16:11:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: anything else as a deliverable?
16:11:42 <dauwhe> (silence)
16:11:44 <ivan> present+ gpellegrino
16:11:53 <ivan> regrets+ gpellegrino
16:11:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: last week, ivan put together a list of issues that were closable
16:12:08 <ivan> Topic: closing issues
16:12:08 <dauwhe> ... we can spend the rest of the meeting closing issues
16:12:11 <tzviya> https://gist.github.com/iherman/581247543c670faa30f1ab89ff1c11eb
16:12:47 <dauwhe> ivan: the low-number issues were the ones that led to long discussions
16:12:56 <dauwhe> ... my tendency would be to close those
16:13:47 <dauwhe> tzviya: I don't think it's a good use of time to read through every comment of issue 1 :)
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16:14:30 <pkra> I've been following on github so I assume I have.
16:14:43 <dauwhe> tzviya: I don't think it's a good use of time to read through the list
16:14:57 <dauwhe> garth: or do we want to close them and wait for complaints?
16:15:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: I don't think it's productive for me to read issues
16:15:25 <dauwhe> https://gist.github.com/iherman/581247543c670faa30f1ab89ff1c11eb
16:15:37 <dauwhe> garth: read the issues not the topics?
16:15:45 <dkaplan3> +1
16:15:46 <Hadrien> +1
16:15:48 <ivan> +1
16:15:51 <mateus> +1
16:15:54 <Rachel> +1
16:15:54 <lsullam> +1
16:15:56 <jasminemulliken> +1
16:15:58 <jbuehler> +1
16:15:59 <laudrain> +1
16:15:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: Issue 1; do we agree to close it?
16:16:00 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:16:02 <marisa> +1
16:16:07 <bigbluehat> +1
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16:16:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: the other issue is 129???
16:16:22 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/pull/129
16:16:43 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: ivan has made notes about why these are closable
16:17:15 <dauwhe> Hadrien: Ivan and myself has introduced new language in the draft to deal with this
16:17:29 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'm seeing agreement to close #1
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16:17:59 <duga> q+
16:18:05 <tzviya> ack duga
16:18:17 <Avneesh> present+
16:18:19 <dauwhe> duga: do all these issues have your summaries?
16:18:22 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
16:18:31 <dauwhe> Resolved: close issue 1
16:18:35 <dauwhe> topic: issue 2
16:18:56 <dauwhe> tzviya: navigating a web pub; this is obsoleted by the current infoset and the affordances discussion
16:19:01 <dauwhe> ... it's covered in our doc
16:19:01 <Avneesh> sorry for joining late
16:19:08 <dkaplan3> +1
16:19:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:19:09 <laudrain> +1
16:19:12 <tzviya> +1
16:19:12 <zheng_xu> +1
16:19:12 <jbuehler> +1
16:19:13 <jasminemulliken> +1
16:19:13 <mateus> +1
16:19:14 <ivan> proposed closing
16:19:14 <ivan> +1
16:19:15 <bigbluehat> +1
16:19:15 <lsullam> +1
16:19:16 <Rachel> +1
16:19:26 <Hadrien> +1
16:19:32 <ivan> subtopic: issue 9
16:19:38 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 2
16:19:42 <dauwhe> topic: issue 9
16:19:44 <dkaplan3> +1
16:19:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: machine readable navigation
16:20:02 <Avneesh> +1
16:20:10 <dauwhe> ... the comments lost focus, let's close and creaate more focused issues
16:20:19 <dauwhe> s/aa/a/
16:20:33 <dauwhe> ... we should look more closely
16:20:45 <dauwhe> ... Avneesh, could you look at this and see if it needs new issues
16:20:53 <Rachel> +1 to closing issue and opening specific tickets
16:20:56 <dauwhe> Avneesh: it has grown in too many directions
16:21:17 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: there's still tension about where things come from
16:21:29 <dauwhe> ... the machine-readable-navigation things
16:21:43 <dauwhe> ... some like nav stuff from HTML, others want it expressed in JSON
16:21:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: that has been picked up in other issues around webidl
16:22:03 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: I'll try to link back
16:22:15 <mateus> +1 to closing 9 & reopening focused issues or moving discussions to other open issues
16:22:27 <wolfgang> +1 to closing
16:22:29 <laudrain> +1
16:22:31 <dauwhe> resolved: close 9 and open new issues if needed
16:22:32 <ivan> +1
16:22:39 <lsullam> +1
16:22:43 <dauwhe> topic: issue 13
16:22:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:23:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: associating manifest with pub resources
16:23:02 <zheng_xu> +1
16:23:06 <jasminemulliken> +1
16:23:14 <dkaplan3> +1
16:23:16 <bigbluehat> +1 because WAM TF
16:23:17 <laudrain> +1
16:23:21 <ivan> proposed: close the issue
16:23:27 <ivan> +1
16:23:30 <dauwhe> ... any comments?
16:23:30 <Rachel> +1
16:23:31 <wolfgang> +1
16:23:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:23:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> Good, I was afraid of running out of +1s
16:24:10 <jbuehler> +1 to that
16:24:12 <dauwhe> ivan: let's discuss, but no need for +1s in IRC
16:24:18 <ivan> resolved: close the issue
16:24:26 <dauwhe> topic: issue 22
16:24:44 <dauwhe> tzviya: manifest requirements for offline
16:24:56 <dauwhe> ... the issue has lost focus
16:25:08 <dauwhe> ... we should go through and make sure everything necessary is covered
16:25:14 <ivan> Topic: issue 22
16:25:20 <dauwhe> ... jasminemulliken, can this be part of the affordances task force
16:25:24 <dauwhe> jasminemulliken: I don't see why not
16:25:45 <dauwhe> resolved: issue 22 will be closed by Jasmine, and if necessary new issues opened
16:26:02 <dauwhe> topic: issue 23
16:26:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: must manifest include secondary resources?
16:26:31 <dauwhe> ivan: the secondary resources are part of the infoset
16:26:56 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 23
16:27:04 <dauwhe> topic: issue 29
16:27:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: do all docs in reading order have to be reachable from TOC
16:27:32 <dauwhe> ... this is covered in our current draft
16:27:33 <ivan> s/29/39/
16:28:11 <dauwhe> tzviya: any comments about closing this issue?
16:28:30 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 39
16:28:40 <dauwhe> topic: issue 69
16:28:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: this is now a separate CG for Media Overlays
16:29:29 <dauwhe> ... marisa, can you drop a link to the CG?
16:29:36 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 69
16:29:37 <marisa> https://www.w3.org/community/sync-media-pub/
16:30:31 <laudrain> I’m in and not a DAISY member…
16:30:32 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 70
16:30:38 <dauwhe> topic: issue 72
16:30:39 <timCole> q+
16:30:46 <dauwhe> tzviya: mathml and web publications
16:31:05 <tzviya> ack timCole
16:31:07 <dauwhe> ... the issues of math are not in scope for this WG
16:31:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> I would suggest MathML is a best practices issue
16:31:21 <dauwhe> timCole: I agree with closing it, but am concerned with the language
16:31:29 <dauwhe> ... mathML being a problem is the implication
16:31:43 <dauwhe> ... it sounds like it's being closed with prejudice
16:31:44 <George> q+
16:31:51 <tzviya> ack George
16:31:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: timCole, can you add a comment to the issue?
16:31:59 <dauwhe> George: I agree it should be closed
16:32:16 <dauwhe> ... we may find that the CG on best practices will bring us solutions
16:32:18 <zheng_xu> q+
16:32:24 <tzviya> ack zheng_xu
16:32:42 <clapierre> DIAGRAM Center is working on this as well as a best practice and will share our solution with you all soon.
16:33:09 <zheng_xu> will type later
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16:33:33 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 72 but Tim Cole will add comments
16:33:37 <dauwhe> topic: issue 74
16:33:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: infoset should not include specialized metadata
16:33:58 <dauwhe> ... which was a bit of a misunderstanding?
16:34:08 <dauwhe> ... we can link to any metadata in our infoset
16:34:12 <dauwhe> ... any comments?
16:34:23 <dauwhe> ... the proposal is to close because it is included in our current infoset
16:34:29 <Hadrien> q+
16:34:33 <tzviya> ack Hadrien
16:34:57 <dauwhe> Hadrien: the concept is that we'll be linking to other metadata, but we haven't discussed how
16:35:11 <dauwhe> ... will it be handled by the manifest? there's work on how we handle that.
16:35:25 <dauwhe> ivan: correct. but that was not how the issue was raised.
16:35:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: we need a more specific issue.
16:35:40 <dauwhe> ivan: do we have it yet?
16:36:11 <dauwhe> tzviya: the issue we've been talking about with alternate rendering is similar, but not the same
16:36:24 <dauwhe> ... if the issue you mentioned isn't open yet, open one
16:36:35 <dauwhe> Hadrien: we could use the same element to solve both of them
16:36:44 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's open separate issues
16:36:58 <dauwhe> ivan: the one in 74 was in a much more general level, the infoset level
16:37:14 <dauwhe> ... on that level we have consensus that we can refer to ONIX or whatever
16:37:21 <dauwhe> ... the details are still to be worked out
16:37:26 <dauwhe> ... but 74 is not about that
16:37:47 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's open a new issue, and to see the problem stated. if there's a proposed solution it can be a comment
16:38:02 <dauwhe> Hadrien: yes, but we do need the big picture
16:38:13 <dauwhe> ivan: isn't that part of the serialization details
16:38:20 <dauwhe> Hadrien: it's more related to the infoset
16:38:46 <dauwhe> tzviya: I would prefer to see the solution separate from the question
16:38:53 <dkaplan3> q+
16:39:30 <dauwhe> Hadrien: we've said we won't have specialized metadata, but we havent said how to point to the metadata
16:39:32 <tzviya> ack dkaplan
16:39:57 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: I like the separation; hadrien's concerns can be addressed by linking... "see main justification for this at link X"
16:40:40 <dauwhe> tzviya: if you want to leave the issue open, leave comments
16:40:46 <dauwhe> Hadrien: I can open a new one
16:41:04 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 74
16:41:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: and Hadrien will open a new issue on how to do this
16:41:22 <dauwhe> topic: issue 121
16:41:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: this is in the current draft
16:41:45 <dauwhe> ivan: we should have closed this when the PR for the lifecycle section was accepted
16:42:14 <dauwhe> resolved: close 121
16:42:25 <dauwhe> topic: issue 124
16:42:37 <dauwhe> tzviya: expressing metadata in multiple language
16:42:58 <zheng_xu> Comment about https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/72
16:43:13 <dauwhe> dauwhe: we're closing 124 for the same reason as 121?
16:43:15 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
16:43:21 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 124
16:43:58 <zheng_xu> ok I just type
16:44:20 <zheng_xu> so I hope can know where will this problem go?
16:44:38 <zheng_xu> Because we have a lot of problem of supporting MathML
16:44:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:44:48 <tzviya> ack bigbluehat
16:44:55 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:44:57 <zheng_xu> done
16:45:24 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: my suggestion is that DAISY's work is relevant, and about to be public, and belongs in the best practices work of the CG
16:45:27 <Avneesh> q+
16:45:31 <tzviya> ack Avneesh
16:45:55 <dauwhe> Avneesh: MathML is the current state, it is the best way for a11y, and belongs to EPUB3CG
16:46:10 <dauwhe> ... for PWG we just need to keep an eye on math in general; this issue can be closed
16:46:27 <zheng_xu> Yes. Thanks tzviya
16:46:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: I think zheng_xu is speaking as a reading system developer for supporting math ml rather than supplying mathml
16:46:37 <ivan> q+
16:46:41 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:46:53 <dauwhe> ivan: the point is that, this WG cannot solve this problem
16:47:09 <dauwhe> ... I agree it's a major problem, there are discussions outside this WG, I hope they lead somewhere
16:47:23 <dauwhe> ... but it can't be this WG's job to solve the problem. that's why the issue should be closed.
16:47:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: agreed.
16:48:23 <dauwhe> topic: issue 4
16:48:37 <dauwhe> tzviya: this is a precurser to the affordances task force
16:48:43 <dauwhe> ... we've revisited over and over
16:48:49 <dauwhe> ... I think it's a good idea to close
16:49:12 <dauwhe> ... and the affordances TF will make us more comfortable with this; the TF can see if there's anything useful in here
16:49:16 <dauwhe> jasminemulliken: we'll take a look
16:49:23 <wolfgang> s/precurser/precursor/
16:49:45 <tzviya> q?
16:49:48 <dauwhe> tzviya: any objections to closing this, and opening new issues as affordances?
16:49:56 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 4
16:49:59 <dauwhe> topic: issue 5
16:50:12 <dauwhe> tzviya: how to identify a WPUB and its components
16:50:26 <dauwhe> ... tim handled this with his doc, and there's stuff in the infoset
16:50:37 <dauwhe> ... I think we're covered here?
16:50:44 <timCole> q+
16:50:47 <tzviya> ack timCole
16:50:48 <bigbluehat> q+
16:51:08 <dauwhe> timCole: I think there are open aspects of this issue, but I don't think it's settled
16:51:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: can you go through this and open new issues?
16:51:40 <dauwhe> ... over next 2-3 weeks?
16:52:07 <tzviya> ack bigbluehat
16:52:53 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: I've been posted related thoughts to PWPUB repo... this identification of the parts as well as the whole matters
16:53:22 <dauwhe> ... the google web package formats doesn't provide inter-pub links
16:53:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: any other comments?
16:53:52 <dauwhe> resolved: Tim Cole to review, and close after perhaps opening new issues
16:53:53 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/35
16:54:07 <dauwhe> topic: issue 35
16:54:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: this does seem to be different than our current proposal
16:54:35 <bigbluehat> q+
16:54:38 <dauwhe> ivan: dauwhe and bigbluehat started this
16:54:39 <tzviya> avk bigbluehat
16:54:44 <tzviya> ack bigbluehat
16:55:09 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: I've continued to experiment with this in Dave's html-first repo, on how to enable to have browsers discover this progressively
16:55:27 <dauwhe> ... it's helped inform what I'm looking at with the WAM task force
16:55:32 <Vlad> sorry, have to run for another meeting
16:55:40 <dauwhe> ... if we hoist a WP out of an HTML doc
16:55:55 <dauwhe> ... but HTML is the foundational layer we build on
16:56:09 <dauwhe> ... with hypermedia as a foundational affordance
16:56:36 <dauwhe> ... to the issue at hand, that would be the operating understanding expressed in terms of a fallback
16:56:51 <dauwhe> ... I'd love to explore this more as a group
16:57:17 <dauwhe> ... we still have yet to touch on DOM affordances, and how a web publication might understand itself and how it might be influenced by JS
16:57:41 <dauwhe> ... I would like to explore this, and have demos before the F2F
16:57:47 <dauwhe> ivan: what do we do with this issue?
16:57:52 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: I'm ok with closing it
16:58:00 <dauwhe> ... it's still a proposal
16:58:01 <ivan> regrets+ laurent
16:58:23 <dauwhe> bigbluehat: if rebooting with a fresh start would be helpful, than I'm ok with it
16:58:32 <dauwhe> tzviya: ivan proposes to close, is that OK/
16:58:43 <garth> q?
16:58:45 <dauwhe> resolved: close issue 35
16:59:05 <garth> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qe8Q8wMC1LKy_-JO-UCy8bFw4D4VN0si1Q5EPW9c-rY/edit#
16:59:07 <dauwhe> garth: the closing homework for non-chair-folk is to comment in the document we looked at initially for agenda items
16:59:41 <dauwhe> George: I'll be at Web Accesibility Initiative F2F next week on guidelines 3.0 development
17:00:02 <dauwhe> ... and I'll be emailing Avneesh on points we want to get into their roadmap that are important to publishing
17:00:14 <wolfgang> s/Accesibility/Accessibility/
17:00:21 <dauwhe> Jeff: another comment about #72
17:00:21 <mattg> present+ mattg
17:00:32 <dauwhe> ... I can understand that MathML isn't in the scope of the wg
17:00:32 <timCole> present+ Tim_Cole
17:00:44 <dauwhe> ... what group or task force should we work with?
17:00:50 <dauwhe> ... we have lots of publishers using MathML
17:01:03 <Hadrien> q+
17:01:07 <dauwhe> .. we are using JS liberary in Chrome, I would like to see better support in browsers
17:01:18 <laudrain> s/Jeff/Zheng/
17:01:22 <tzviya> ack Hadrien
17:01:22 <dauwhe> ... where should this issue go? Which group does this belong to?
17:01:46 <timCole> Another Community Group https://w3c.github.io/mathonwebpages/
17:01:58 <dauwhe> Hadrien: readium take on MathML: we polyfilled with MathJaz, in Readium 2 we won't polyfill, we'lll be limited to what the browser can do
17:02:06 <dauwhe> ... but this is an issue for web as a whole
17:02:06 <tzviya> https://mathml.igalia.com/
17:02:08 <Avneesh> q+
17:02:14 <tzviya> ack av
17:02:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: we are over time
17:02:16 <ivan> s/MathJaz/MathJax/
17:02:33 <dauwhe> Avneesh: the screenreaders support MathML, so if browser exposes than JAWS can use
17:02:43 <dauwhe> ... it's not only the reading system, it's the screenreader
17:03:00 <dauwhe> zheng_xu: it's very slow
17:03:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: I've posted some links. there's a math CG, etc.
17:03:28 <dauwhe> ... w3c is aware of the problem
17:03:48 <dauwhe> zheng_xu: maybe there can be a joint task force with other groups
17:03:57 <dauwhe> tzviya: ivan will pay attention to this
17:04:07 <dauwhe> ... thanks all. work on the F2F agenda.
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17:04:49 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/12-pwg-minutes.html ivan
17:04:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/12-pwg-minutes.html ivan
17:04:55 <ivan> zakim, bye
17:04:55 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:04:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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