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15:23:36 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
15:23:36 <ivan> Chair: Liisa
15:23:36 <ivan> Date: 2018-03-09
15:23:36 <ivan> Regrets+
15:23:36 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2018Mar/0002.html
15:23:36 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-03-09: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2018Mar/0002.html
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16:01:36 <BillM> Ivan, will you start the meeting or shall I login?
16:01:49 <BillM> I see "waiting for organizer" message...
16:01:51 <ivan> done
16:02:07 <ivan> oops, sorry
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16:02:24 <Bill_Kasdorf_> present+
16:02:27 <ivan> you mean gtm?
16:02:27 <ivan> do it please...
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16:03:11 <George> Bill, George and Luc on the phone and we are not hearing those on GTM.
16:03:13 <laudrain> present+
16:03:57 <ivan> present+
16:04:04 <George> present+ George
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16:05:36 <liisamk__> present+
16:05:47 <tzviya> present+
16:06:17 <Rachel> present+
16:06:52 <ivan> lost audio...
16:07:12 <Bill_Kasdorf_> serious audio issues
16:07:21 <laudrain> someone has an horrible echo
16:07:23 <tzviya> do we need a different lnine?
16:07:32 <liisamk__> there are 51 people on this call
16:08:08 <liisamk__> we are organizing another line
16:08:45 <liisamk__> ok- everyone hung up and will call in again on that line
16:10:14 <BillM> present+ BillM
16:12:26 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:12:37 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q-
16:12:53 <laudrain> scribenick
16:13:05 <tzviya> scribenick: laudrain
16:14:02 <tzviya> laudrain: We gave the BG 2 weeks to review the EPUB 3.2 document, and we hope that we will come to consensus on tuesday
16:14:35 <ivan> q+
16:14:54 <tzviya> ...Should we send a 72 hour CfC? Or is sufficient to tell CG to proceed?
16:15:28 <BillM> q+
16:15:37 <tzviya> ivan: we should do CfC
16:15:37 <ivan> q-
16:15:43 <laudrain> ack Billm
16:16:48 <ivan> regrets+ dauwhe
16:16:58 <laudrain> BillM: opinion on how the CG would report to the BG after endorsment
16:17:08 <laudrain> … is ther any form?
16:17:31 <laudrain> Ivan: there is a way to do that
16:17:48 <laudrain> … we will ask Matt
16:18:06 <laudrain> … take another report as a model
16:18:16 <laudrain> … Like JSON 1.1
16:18:21 <BillM> https://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld/
16:18:42 <tzviya> q+
16:18:57 <laudrain> BillM: put aline like « Prove by the PBG… »
16:19:05 <laudrain> ack Tzviya
16:19:16 <Rachel> s/Prove/Approved
16:20:03 <laudrain> Tzviya: keep in mind last tuesday proposal from Ivan
16:20:18 <laudrain> q?
16:21:57 <George> q+
16:22:12 <laudrain> ack george
16:22:45 <laudrain> George: a11y standardizaiton moving formward in parallel with EPUB 3.2
16:23:10 <laudrain> … wonderful France will be contributing in SC34
16:23:16 <Bill_Kasdorf_> I believe Cristina said that Italy would follow France's lead
16:23:31 <laudrain> … any other people in US?
16:23:45 <ivan> q+
16:23:52 <liisamk__> q+
16:23:54 <laudrain> BillK: no longer in NISO
16:24:27 <ivan> q- later
16:24:27 <ivan> q?
16:24:46 <laudrain> George: should we get in touch with NISO?
16:24:57 <laudrain> ack lii
16:25:14 <laudrain> Liisa: PRH is a member of NISO
16:26:33 <laudrain> Ivan: finalize EPUB 3.2 and move it ti ISO?
16:26:38 <laudrain> Luc: Yes
16:26:54 <laudrain> Ivan: ISO has it’s own terminology
16:27:23 <laudrain> … These two should coordinate in a format in ISO « format » to reduce work
16:27:24 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:27:31 <laudrain> ack ivan
16:28:00 <laudrain> BillK: Francie Cave in PBG?
16:28:09 <laudrain> s/Francie/Francis/
16:28:37 <laudrain> Luc: I will raise the question to him
16:29:03 <Rachel> ack Bill_Kasdorf_
16:29:07 <ivan> regrets+ rickj
16:29:47 <laudrain> George: check for any copyright problem for kb IDPF a11y guidelines
16:30:16 <laudrain> … 2 sites are independant, and there is know cut and paste from the former work
16:30:57 <laudrain> … 2 options : move IDPF site down or say « this is no longer maintain » and redirect to the new siet
16:31:15 <Rachel> q+
16:31:38 <laudrain> BillM: we plan to update the EPUB A11Y 1.0.
16:31:52 <laudrain> … New one would be a W3C document as 1.1
16:32:15 <Bill_Kasdorf_> The other issue was any IP concerns wrt IDPF content
16:32:31 <tzviya> q+
16:32:41 <laudrain> … W3C is not abandoning EPUB3 a11y but is commited to EPUB3 a11y standardization
16:32:54 <liisamk__> q+
16:33:25 <laudrain> Rachel: we take advantage that this was available in IDPF, and move to W3C
16:33:25 <ivan> ack Rachel
16:33:45 <Rachel> ack tzviya
16:34:20 <laudrain> Tzviya: IDPF best practice shoudl have asap a banner to go the DAISY kb
16:34:22 <Rachel> +1 to tzviya's suggestion
16:34:24 <BillM> q+
16:34:26 <laudrain> +1
16:34:29 <Bill_Kasdorf_> +1 to Tzviya. Same for the A11y 1.0 document
16:34:37 <laudrain> ack lii
16:34:58 <tzviya> +1 to Liisa
16:35:16 <Bill_Kasdorf_> Yes but I'm concerned about citations to the IPDF site instead of the proper W3C site
16:35:20 <tzviya> the a11y metadata is all completely out of date
16:35:20 <laudrain> Liisa: a notice is not sufficient as it is accessed through detailed pages
16:35:56 <laudrain> BillM: IDPF site ha legacy stuff still valid
16:36:28 <laudrain> … migrate the current level stuff to a W3C repository and put a banner on IDPF
16:36:29 <laudrain> $
16:36:30 <tzviya> q+
16:36:36 <laudrain> ack billM
16:37:03 <laudrain> … people should go a W3C or DAISY site
16:37:20 <laudrain> ack tzv
16:37:47 <laudrain> Tzviya: reason to a11y guideline is the doc people use the most
16:38:29 <laudrain> … starts with that so that people doesn’t do inaccurate coding becaus it ahasn’t been updated
16:38:43 <liisamk__> q+
16:38:49 <laudrain> BillM: use a11y as a laboratory for moving to W3C
16:39:00 <Bill_Kasdorf_> it's eating our brains
16:39:02 <laudrain> … I volunteer to make so
16:39:10 <laudrain> q?
16:39:31 <ivan> q+
16:39:41 <laudrain> George: Matt can help you on this
16:40:16 <laudrain> … decision: put in a11y guidelines information to redirect to the kb in DAISY
16:40:41 <laudrain> … best practices are in dev in the CG
16:41:02 <laudrain> q?
16:41:25 <laudrain> George: has to be approved by the PBG
16:41:49 <laudrain> BillM: an agenda item for next PBG call
16:42:32 <laudrain> … 2mn topic on the DPUB summit
16:42:50 <BillM> https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/03/digital-publishing-summit-in-berlin-16th-and-17th-of-may/
16:42:51 <laudrain> … see blog post from Ivan
16:44:40 <laudrain> Liisa: epubcheck funding bar ?
16:45:00 <laudrain> … we have hours from Rick
16:45:13 <tzviya> s/Rick/RicWright
16:45:30 <laudrain> … 160h/month, 90$/h
16:46:23 <laudrain> ack liisa
16:47:00 <laudrain> Liisa: porposal to leave the site with every page on a11y marked. what for other pages?
16:47:02 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:47:10 <laudrain> … like the forum
16:47:52 <tzviya> q+
16:47:56 <laudrain> George: it is a good other plave to direct people to the CG and other W3C group
16:48:01 <laudrain> ack Ivan
16:48:46 <laudrain> Ivan: separate dicussion on that because of instead « killing » it, keep the IDPF site as part of the W3C activity
16:49:18 <laudrain> … remove thing on memeber, but keep it as it is natural for people to go there
16:49:40 <laudrain> … it’ worth  discussion with communication W3C people
16:50:04 <laudrain> … there are some practicalities like name of IDPF…
16:50:13 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q-
16:50:34 <laudrain> … more straitforward, why not keeping it?
16:51:02 <laudrain> Tzviya: a11y stuff is pressing, the forum should be kept alive
16:51:25 <laudrain> … could be in W3C
16:51:52 <laudrain> … form should not be ignored, legacy documentation archived
16:52:00 <Rachel> q+
16:52:01 <laudrain> q?
16:52:07 <laudrain> ack tzvi
16:52:11 <laudrain> ack Rachel
16:52:27 <ivan> ack Rachel
16:52:29 <laudrain> Rachel: i’m willing to help
16:54:15 <Bill_Kasdorf_> I wouldn't take anything down right now
16:54:19 <laudrain> Liisa: what about membership pages?
16:54:36 <laudrain> George: serving customers better
16:55:42 <laudrain> … we can’t close down the site for now
16:56:18 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:57:10 <laudrain> Ivan: warning on calling time for Asia and Europe
16:57:33 <George> q+
16:57:49 <ivan> present+ yoshii, daihei
16:57:50 <laudrain> Billk: nominate Dahei and Yoshi as outstanding members
16:57:58 <liisamk__> ack Bill
16:58:05 <liisamk__> ack George
16:58:19 <laudrain> George: find proper time for people to participate
16:58:31 <laudrain> … like for the affordance TF
16:58:58 <laudrain> Tzviya: one of the chair is in Califonia
17:00:13 <laudrain> Luc: agenda item for specific call time for Asia
17:00:53 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/09-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan