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20:51:38 <SimonCox> Meeting: DXWG DCAT Team
20:51:48 <SimonCox> Chair: SimonCox
20:51:52 <SimonCox> present+
20:52:01 <SimonCox> regrets: ArminHaller
20:57:33 <SimonCox> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.07
20:57:47 <SimonCox> regrets: Riccardo
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21:07:09 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.07
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21:08:31 <SimonCox> scribenick DaveBrowning
21:08:40 <SimonCox> topic: confirm agenda
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21:09:49 <SimonCox> topic : approve minutes last meeting  https://www.w3.org/2018/02/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:10:05 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:10:08 <SimonCox> +1
21:10:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:10:12 <alejandra> +1
21:10:15 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:10:39 <DaveBrowning> Resolved: minutes approved
21:10:41 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
21:10:49 <SimonCox> topic: meeting times
21:10:59 <SimonCox> https://doodle.com/poll/cvuzxnqan8s8utbc
21:11:41 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: doodle poll published. Majority looks to be for the same UTC time.
21:12:01 <DaveBrowning> ....Most regulars have already replied.
21:12:27 <DaveBrowning> ...poll will close in the next few hours
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21:13:24 <DaveBrowning> ...WebEx booking is following US time - getting it changed is being followed up with DaveR
21:13:37 <SimonCox> topic: FPWD https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
21:14:36 <DaveBrowning> Progress around linking document to github issues.  Others encouraged to take action
21:15:06 <alejandra> to add to the agenda: to look at the actions we created last time (I created them manually in the Action tracker)
21:15:47 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: placeholder for DCAT Profile and negotiation in place, but not clear if the relevent subgroups will add to that or publish separately
21:15:55 <SimonCox> q?
21:16:09 <DaveBrowning> ...but marking it in the FPWD is good either way
21:17:12 <alejandra> +q
21:17:15 <DaveBrowning> ...chairs have been asked - what the process is
21:17:33 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
21:17:58 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: do we vote in this group first or just in plenary?
21:18:29 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions
21:18:38 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: vote here that we’re happy to take something to the plenary
21:20:11 <SimonCox> topic: action items https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions
21:20:29 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Digression to current actions -
21:22:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:22:19 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:22:32 <DaveBrowning> ...Discussion with Rob on what the next steps are, including following through with DaveR, but most of these need profiles subgroup actions
21:23:17 <SimonCox> topic: DCAT Modules
21:23:21 <DaveBrowning> Jaroslav_Pullmann: will follow through on his use case (is a github issue)
21:23:45 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/gh-pages/dcat/rdf
21:23:48 <AndreaPerego> About my actions, I have yet to start working on them.
21:23:59 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: couple of DCAT modules in repository at above link
21:25:54 <DaveBrowning> ...main DCAT one including a couple of changes. Two other modules - one includes prov-o and DCAT, onecovering schema.org, using schemaincludes etc
21:25:57 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: look at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/146
21:26:27 <SimonCox> re https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Main_Page#Mappings_to.2Ffrom_DCAT_.28and_DCAT_application_profiles.29
21:27:33 <alejandra> +q to comment on the mapping
21:27:45 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, SimonCox. In case we would like to complement this the corresponding SPARQL queries, we can start from: https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/CITnet/stash/projects/ODCKAN/repos/dcat-ap-to-schema.org/browse/sparql
21:27:53 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: above link has links relevent to DCAT, these were copied into the modules, Andrea asked to look at these
21:28:07 <AndreaPerego> s/this the corresponding/this with the corresponding/
21:28:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:28:28 <SimonCox> DCAT 1.0 profile https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/blob/simon-dcat-v1.0-profile/dcat/rdf/dcat10.ttl
21:29:23 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: this file follows through on suggestions that a backward compatible profile should be provided
21:30:02 <DaveBrowning> ...this file imports anything we delete in the new version of DCAT
21:30:04 <SimonCox> q?
21:30:08 <DaveBrowning> ... as an experiment
21:30:09 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
21:30:09 <Zakim> alejandra, you wanted to comment on the mapping
21:30:24 <roba> present+
21:30:52 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, alejandra. I'll do.
21:30:56 <SimonCox> Andrea to look at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/146
21:31:18 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: pull req 146 would benefit from Andrea opinion
21:31:29 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/146/files/f378ad358c84ed4cccda8855baa7eef41531a9bd
21:31:45 <AndreaPerego> ACTION: AndreaPerego to look at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/146
21:31:45 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
21:31:53 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
21:32:23 <roba> q+
21:32:39 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: if we intend to complement the links - there is some work on sprawl available too
21:32:56 <DaveBrowning> ...question - are we including a change log?
21:33:11 <alejandra> s/sprawl/sparql/
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21:33:34 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: yes - we’ll add at the bottom of the doc
21:33:46 <AndreaPerego> ACTION: AndreaPerego to add changelog section in DCAT+ draft
21:33:46 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
21:34:05 <SimonCox> q?
21:34:07 <alejandra> I can add the actions to the tracker
21:34:12 <SimonCox> ack roba
21:35:12 <DaveBrowning> roba: apologies - joined after the start.   Profile group don’t intend to add to the DCAT standard
21:35:27 <alejandra> action created: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/92
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21:36:11 <SimonCox> q?
21:36:22 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: we’ll cover that shortly
21:36:27 <SimonCox> topic: license and right
21:36:34 <SimonCox> s/right/rights/
21:36:43 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114
21:37:33 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: much conversation on the github issue, but not all participants are in this meeting.
21:38:29 <DaveBrowning> NicholasCar: initial suggestion started a discussion on which type was more appropriate, but the suggestion is now to use the dort
21:38:47 <DaveBrowning> S/dort/ODRL/
21:39:18 <DaveBrowning> ...approach since it is more general
21:39:48 <DaveBrowning> ... but augmented by clear discussion or rationale in specification
21:40:24 <roba> q+
21:41:03 <alejandra> a contact to the ODRL group is pending (see action https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/84)
21:41:17 <DaveBrowning> ... not quite ready to make a decision - needs more discussion, though not quite nailed yet.  Needs specific proposal
21:41:44 <SimonCox> q/
21:41:45 <SimonCox> q?
21:41:50 <SimonCox> ack roba
21:43:07 <DaveBrowning> RobA: does the decision to adopt ODRL imply we adopt other ODRL approaches.
21:43:52 <DaveBrowning> NicholasCar: likely to be the case - will make that clear in the proposal
21:45:12 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:45:30 <DaveBrowning> RobA: suggest that if we adopt a vocab in one place then we should check whether it is useful on other issues
21:45:50 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
21:46:32 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: ODRL is pretty narrow in its application, but in general this might be a good approach
21:47:13 <SimonCox> s/application/scope/
21:47:56 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:48:35 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: ODRL has value if not using a standard licence, and perhaps we should encourage use of the standard ones
21:49:44 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:50:11 <DaveBrowning> NicholasCar: will cover this in proposal to make it clear when it’s appropriate to use the simpler approach via dc:rights and standard licences
21:50:15 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:50:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/
21:50:29 <DaveBrowning> Jaroslav_Pullmann: similar example in uc25
21:51:05 <DaveBrowning> ... for the metadata of the catalog itself may have restrictions
21:51:43 <DaveBrowning> NicholasCar: does it sound like our approach would apply there too?
21:52:21 <DaveBrowning> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Most likely. These have different communities participating
21:52:57 <DaveBrowning> ... is there any ontologies on expressing licence info in a standard way?
21:53:16 <alejandra> +q to mention CC work
21:53:16 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
21:53:21 <NicholasCar> q+
21:54:42 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: re licence for metadata.  When this has been discussed it had a different angle, to my mind
21:55:56 <DaveBrowning> Jaroslav_Pullmann: there are examples of companies providing high quality metadata and wanting to protect it in some way.
21:56:20 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
21:56:20 <Zakim> alejandra, you wanted to mention CC work
21:56:34 <DaveBrowning> ...so want to make sure that the proposal is written to apply in that case
21:56:42 <alejandra> https://creativecommons.org/ns
21:57:08 <AndreaPerego> There's also ODRS which might be worth looking at: http://schema.theodi.org/odrs/
21:57:15 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: re vocab for licences - examples in Creative Commons
21:57:53 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
21:58:01 <AndreaPerego> Jaroslav_Pullmann, I think ODRL is more flexible for this purpose.
21:58:51 <DaveBrowning> NicholasCar: Im actually doing this now....  should have something comparatively shortly for the top few licences
21:59:11 <alejandra> +1 I look forward to seeing that NicholasCar
21:59:40 <roba> ok - link to strawe man is here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
21:59:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> thanks for your references Alejandra, Andrea & Nick
22:00:23 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: re: profiles aspects in DCAT
22:00:25 <SimonCox> Topic: profiles
22:00:41 <SimonCox> andrea to send links re SPARQL profiles to roba
22:00:46 <AndreaPerego> https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/CITnet/stash/projects/ODCKAN/repos/dcat-ap-to-schema.org/browse/sparql
22:00:59 <roba> preferably by committing change to examples :-)
22:01:13 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
22:01:15 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> thanks all
22:01:17 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> thanks all, bye!
22:01:19 <alejandra> thanks, and bye!
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22:01:31 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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22:01:56 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
22:02:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego