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16:49:31 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
16:49:31 <ivan> Chair: liisa
16:49:31 <ivan> Date: 2018-02-27
16:49:31 <ivan> Regrets+
16:49:31 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018Feb/0083.html
16:49:31 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-02-27: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018Feb/0083.html
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16:59:40 <ivan> regrets+ jensklingelhoefer
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17:00:51 <jkamata> present+ Junko Kamata
17:00:51 <liisamk> present+  liisamk
17:00:55 <Rachel> present+
17:01:37 <rkwright> I'll scribe...
17:01:46 <tzviya> present+
17:02:02 <ivan> present+
17:02:03 <rkwright> Assumes I can type fast enough and remember the syntax
17:02:10 <ivan> scribenick: rkwright
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17:02:17 <garth> present+ Garth
17:02:41 <rkwright> On phone
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17:03:07 <George> present+ George
17:03:10 <mateus> present+
17:03:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
17:03:56 <BillM> present+ BillM
17:04:32 <dauwhe> C has been watching stranger things constantly
17:04:48 <ivan> Topic: epun roadmap task force
17:05:01 <wolfgang> s/epun/epub/
17:05:06 <rkwright> Luc: EPUB roadmap TF update
17:05:11 <dauwhe> s/C has been watching stranger things constantly//
17:05:13 <laudrain> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2RbLipc5VY3vUp_iuPak3oaNxI5BF9gJ5s-98qsmEY/edit#heading=h.izdc9lnn3tf
17:05:22 <rkwright> ... working on the EPUB 3.2 proposal
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17:06:45 <rkwright> ... general idea is to describe the "state" of EPUB. What the CG needs from the BG is a consensus about the direction EPUB should go
17:06:56 <pbelfanti> present+
17:07:01 <Cristina_> present+
17:07:15 <rkwright> ... some discussion of the version number, but there seems to be a consensus around 3.2
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17:08:05 <rkwright> ... the ask from the TF to the BG is what are the requirements.  The main item is to bring back compatibility between 3.0.1 and 3.2
17:08:14 <Dan_Sanicola_> present+
17:08:32 <ivan> q?
17:08:35 <ivan> q+
17:09:05 <rkwright> ... The TF is aware that there are little or no 3.1 EPUBs because of the lack of support by EPUBCheck and the compatibility issues
17:09:44 <rkwright> ... the TF would like to have the BG provide feedback and approval of the proposals generated by the TF
17:10:24 <rkwright> ... If the proposal is accepted then the appropriate technical resources would then write the actual 3.2 specification
17:10:40 <ivan> q?
17:10:44 <garth> ack ivan
17:10:52 <rkwright> ... It is proposed that the group take 2 weeks to consider these proposals
17:11:09 <garth> q+
17:11:28 <rkwright> ivan: Clarification Is it expected that 3.2 will formally supersede 3..1 and make 3.1 obsolete
17:11:36 <rkwright> garth:  Yes!
17:11:56 <rkwright> ivan:  Then this point should be made very explicit in the document
17:12:18 <rkwright> garth:  The proposal does say "3.1 will be withdrawn"
17:12:33 <George> q+
17:12:55 <garth> ack garth
17:12:55 <rkwright> laudrain: 3.2 will be published as a "note" rather than a recommendation
17:12:58 <ivan> q+
17:13:04 <BillM> q+
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17:13:29 <ivan> ack George
17:13:36 <laurentlemeur> present+
17:13:43 <rkwright> george: 3.2 will be a specification though in W3C terminology will be a Note
17:14:13 <rkwright> ... The EPUB A11y specification will also be updated?
17:14:27 <garth> From proposal: “Retain EPUB 3.1 Accessibility Support language roughly as is for EPUB 3.2 (though, some of the A11Y specs may need to be slightly altered to reflect this).”
17:14:38 <rkwright> ...  Even though the a11y spec was intended to be independent, it still should be reviewed
17:14:44 <garth> q?
17:14:50 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:14:56 <laudrain> ack BillM
17:15:09 <garth> q+ ivan
17:15:16 <laudrain> q+
17:15:43 <dauwhe> q+
17:16:01 <rkwright> BillM: This will be the first time we have done this so we should try to put our (BG) imprimatur on this "Note", noting that it will be approved by the BG
17:16:46 <rkwright> ... and that the spec will be submitted to ISO.
17:16:54 <liisamk> ack ivan
17:17:32 <rkwright> ivan: It does not need to be decided right now, but once the CG has finalized the spec, we can put it to
17:18:05 <rkwright> ... a short-term W3C WG which could then turn it into a real W3C recommendation
17:18:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
17:18:35 <rkwright> ... This is not an unprecedented approach
17:18:57 <rkwright> ...  By the time this is all done, the TPI group should have expired
17:19:00 <garth> q?
17:19:03 <liisamk> ack laudrain
17:19:04 <garth> ack laudrain
17:20:00 <rkwright> laudrain: The TF imagined that once the CG had finished its work, it would make a proposal to the BG that the spec should become a more official proposal
17:20:21 <garth> q?
17:20:25 <garth> ack dauwhe
17:20:27 <ivan> ack dauwhe
17:21:07 <garth> ack Bill_Kasdorf
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17:21:15 <rkwright> dauwhe: Good that 3.2 should move to a WG but the role of the CG should not be minimized
17:21:37 <ivan> q+
17:21:40 <Brian> Brian+
17:21:49 <tzviya> present+ Brian
17:22:06 <laudrain> q+
17:22:13 <ivan> ack ivan
17:22:16 <rkwright> BillK: I have been involved in similar efforts where the CG promulgated a spec.  Buf if we submit the spec to ISO then later changed it in a WG that could be bad
17:23:26 <rkwright> ivan: It is true that this is a risk, but if 3.2 is significantly enhanced by the WG, then that is a risk that is worth taking
17:24:32 <rkwright> ...  JSON-LD 1.1 is an example of this process.  The CG did a very careful job which minimized that risk
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17:25:04 <rkwright> ... I am more concerned about the timelines of the various groups involved
17:25:25 <garth> q?
17:25:29 <ivan> ack laudrain
17:26:11 <rkwright> laudrain: Would like to note that the TF did discuss the role marketing a 3.2 spec such that it is accepted
17:26:32 <rkwright> ... TF also hopes that epubcheck will be ready for 3.2  :-)
17:27:24 <rkwright> ... Also providing publishing testimonials and other supporting materials
17:27:26 <wolfgang> s/role marketing/role of marketing/
17:27:59 <rkwright> ... hopefully there will be discussion of 3.2 at the EDRLab summit in Berlin in May and TPAC at Lyons this year
17:28:06 <garth> q?
17:28:09 <garth> q+
17:28:39 <rkwright> liisa:  Do we need a TF specifically for the marketing?
17:28:39 <tzviya> q+
17:28:46 <rkwright> laudrain:  Yes.
17:29:12 <tzviya> ack garth
17:29:36 <rkwright> garth: Before we leave this topic, should we have a resolution about what we want the BG members to review and approve in 2 weeks?
17:29:43 <pbelfanti> Must drop - apologies - will catch up via meeting notes
17:29:54 <garth> ack tzviya
17:30:21 <Brian> Brian sees himself as a marketer :)
17:30:30 <rkwright> tzviya: While we don't have any real marketers in this group we should have some resources of that ilk
17:30:48 <rkwright> George:  ACE will be ready in time for 3.2
17:31:10 <ivan> regrets+ virginie
17:31:18 <Avneesh> q+
17:31:31 <liisamk> +1+1 to proposal
17:31:34 <rkwright> laudrain:  Proposal: "The BG should consider the proposal by the CG and express its approval, telling the CG to go ahead"
17:31:44 <garth> +1
17:31:51 <tzviya> +1
17:31:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
17:31:59 <rkwright> avneesh: Idea to timeline for 3.2?
17:32:29 <rkwright> dauwhe:  No, we do not have a good timeline at this point.  Its complex.  Not years anyway
17:32:33 <tzviya> we also need to allot more time for testing than we have in the past bc of the w3c testing process
17:32:59 <rkwright> garth:  (Full of happy pills) We would like to have something to socialize by Berlin in May
17:33:01 <wolfgang> s/Its/It's/
17:33:07 <laurentlemeur> +1
17:33:11 <rkwright> +1
17:33:39 <ivan> Topic: funding for epubcheck maintenance
17:33:43 <rkwright> laudrain: This it is so proposed
17:34:20 <rkwright> EPUBCheck funding
17:34:34 <rkwright> liisa: Do we have any hard numbers for cost?
17:34:51 <rkwright> tzviya:  No, we have estimated times but not costs
17:35:41 <rkwright> liisa: Is the ask going to come from W3C/Ingram or more directly from the (BG) group?
17:35:42 <garth> q?
17:36:02 <rkwright> George: I think it would be proper for the BG should making the ask
17:36:02 <garth> ack Avneesh
17:36:12 <Avneesh> q-
17:36:36 <laurentlemeur> +1 with George
17:36:59 <ivan> Topic: documentation, site
17:37:06 <rkwright> Topic: Moving the Documentation for the BG
17:37:26 <rkwright> ivan:  I have set up a page for this
17:37:30 <ivan> https://w3c.github.io/publ-bg/
17:37:59 <rkwright> ivan:  This is a copy of a page that the DPUB WG uses for this purpose
17:38:23 <ivan> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tQf56giFynYlWKm5DmrxTUbYUwpzQAmI
17:38:35 <rkwright> ... it is github-based so it is easy to manage and use (for the github-savvy)
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17:39:07 <Julian_Calderazi> Sorry for arriving late.
17:39:13 <rkwright> ... Ivan will try to post the minutes and whatever other information people would like to be put there
17:39:55 <rkwright> ... Is this page the official home page of the BG.  No, there is no consensus at this point about that.
17:40:22 <rkwright> ... Instead it is a  form of "working page"
17:40:22 <liisamk> https://www.w3.org/wiki/PublishingBG/Main_Page
17:40:58 <rkwright> liisa:  The above link will be updated to indicate that it is now superseded by the new page
17:41:17 <tzviya> works for me
17:41:22 <Brian> works for me, as well
17:41:32 <rkwright> liisa:  Is this acceptable?  (General silence indicates acceptance)
17:41:47 <laudrain> works for me
17:42:16 <rkwright> Topic: Need for gathering information for EPUB Marketing (?)
17:42:37 <laudrain> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hsd6-d2gac5QFHw7lM927hjRV1CEh_80qcaTO3ddBbE/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=108889320625913668754
17:43:20 <tzviya> s/EPUB Marketing/EPUB Requirements
17:43:22 <rkwright> liisa:  This is just a starting point.  If there is missing information, please start adding it
17:43:34 <garth> q?
17:43:40 <ivan> Topic: DPUB SUmmit
17:44:31 <rkwright> laurentlemeur: Note that the summit is coming up. Would the BG be amenable to posting info about the Summit in the BG working page?
17:44:37 <laudrain> +1
17:44:48 <liisamk> +1
17:44:52 <rkwright> liisa:  Any reason that we wouldn't or couldn't do this?
17:44:56 <garth> +1
17:45:00 <ivan> +1
17:45:05 <Brian> +1
17:45:07 <wolfgang> +1
17:45:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
17:45:10 <rkwright> ivan:  Seems OK to me.
17:45:16 <Rachel> +1
17:45:19 <Brian> q?
17:45:26 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
17:45:37 <rkwright> garth:  Seems like  a service to the members and therefore appropriate
17:45:55 <Brian> q+
17:46:00 <garth> ack Bill_Kasdorf
17:46:06 <rkwright> BillK: Would there be a discount for W3C members?
17:46:20 <rkwright> laurentlemeur:  Yes, but no code required
17:46:40 <laudrain> ack brian
17:46:59 <rkwright> Brian: BillK and I started a a new newsletter this week and we would be happy to include info about the summit
17:47:06 <tzviya> q+
17:47:16 <Brian> We didn't quite start the newsletter :)
17:47:23 <Bill_Kasdorf> correction: Brian started the BISG newsletter, I was just discussing it with him.
17:47:32 <Brian> Bill and I were talking about using it :)
17:47:36 <rkwright> tzviya: Are comments about the Requirements welcome?
17:47:46 <rkwright> liisa: Yes, please
17:47:47 <laurentlemeur> for those who'd like more info on the DPUB Summit Europe: https://www.edrlab.org/dpub-summit-2018/
17:48:39 <rkwright> George: Disposition of the old IDPF A11y site? WHat is the status of that?
17:48:52 <rkwright> liisa: It is in process
17:49:05 <rkwright> George: Then it is will be on the next meeting's agenda?
17:49:09 <rkwright> liisa: Yes
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17:49:29 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/02/27-pbg-minutes.html ivan
17:49:48 <ivan> zakim, bye
17:49:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been dauwhe, Avneesh, laudrain, wolfgang, Junko, Kamata, liisamk, Rachel, tzviya, ivan, Garth, George, mateus, Bill_Kasdorf, BillM,
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17:49:53 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:49:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items