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16:05:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
16:05:38 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2018
16:05:57 <r12a> present+ Katy, Bert, r12a
16:06:04 <r12a> regrets+ Addison
16:06:14 <r12a> regrets+ Fuquiao
16:06:27 <Katy> scribenick: Katy
16:09:30 <JcK> present+ JcK
16:09:43 <r12a> Topic: Action Items
16:09:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:10:18 <r12a> close action-696
16:10:18 <trackbot> Closed action-696.
16:10:38 <r12a> close action-697
16:10:39 <trackbot> Closed action-697.
16:10:58 <r12a> Topic: Info Share
16:11:24 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
16:11:37 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/gap-analysis/
16:11:42 <Katy> r12a: Language matrix, links to docs where people can identify gap analysis
16:12:02 <Katy> ... new one, an example that is developed.
16:12:23 <Katy> ... incl. tests and figures; generates some info
16:13:14 <Katy> r12a: suggested a single group to contacts for Khmer & Lao
16:13:29 <Katy> ... looking for Thai and Myanmar
16:15:08 <r12a> Topic: IMSC character sets
16:15:35 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/#recommended-unicode-code-points-per-language
16:15:52 <Katy> JcK: Reposted to key thread, moving towards CLDR
16:15:56 <Katy> ... looking for advice on that.
16:16:00 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/236
16:17:17 <Katy> r12a: Talk about the wider question…
16:18:23 <Katy> ... Application uses UTF-8, no need to specify the character set.
16:18:40 <Katy> ... The fonts or rendering algorithms are not unavailable to support specific char-ranges / langs
16:19:13 <Katy> ... Aims to assist authors b/c existing processes are poor at supporting foreign languages
16:19:40 <Katy> ... One shouldn't take it too far, to rely on these applications
16:20:01 <Katy> ... content authors may require some advice, to ensure that texts support these chars
16:20:36 <Katy> ... symbols etc, commonly used in video transcriptions, may be unavailable in CLDR
16:20:57 <Katy> ... when dealing with legacy applications, may find have poor support for multilingual texts
16:21:58 <Katy> ... by implication, the application developers may not have multilingual support;
16:22:12 <Katy> ... whereas this limits to specific sets of characters.
16:22:32 <Katy> ... CLDR may not always be accurate or complete (?)
16:22:44 <Katy> ... in thread, tried to suggest an alternative wording
16:23:09 <Katy> JcK: Have posted the wrong solution to the wrong problem. It's an interesting question.
16:23:25 <Katy> ... if updating legacy application, should update accordingly
16:24:24 <Katy> r12a: If this is about legacy applications, then look at what charsets are supported
16:24:36 <Katy> ... expecting that applications will rely on CLDR
16:24:45 <Katy> ... meaning expecting applications to limit their support for chars
16:26:10 <Katy> JcK: The issue about chars in legacy applications, or langs not appearing in CLDR either, fact that imposing chars in langs which have no possible use for them.
16:26:23 <Katy> ... Fundamentally, wrong solution to wrong problem
16:27:32 <Katy> ... utility of decorated Latin chars is a little dubious. Taking us back to pre-Unicode definition of HTML.
16:29:00 <Katy> ... suggests opening up a new thread, distance from fonts etc.
16:30:03 <Katy> r12a: recommends waiting to see what happens on this thread, first.
16:33:24 <Katy> r12a: Another infoshare:
16:33:39 <r12a> Topic: More infoshare
16:33:40 <r12a> https://twitter.com/webi18n/status/966654589574549504
16:34:02 <Katy> ... Tweet explains the first public working draft of text layout for Arabic script.
16:34:17 <Katy> ... lot of text; not yet many instructions for implementers.
16:34:28 <Katy> ... publishing it may get some attention.
16:34:57 <r12a> Topic: Closing TTML Issues
16:35:12 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2018JanMar/0085.html
16:36:52 <r12a> Proposed: Close all TTML issues listed at above URL
16:36:56 <r12a> +1
16:37:04 <JcK> +1
16:37:05 <Katy> +1
16:37:31 <Bert> +1
16:37:39 <r12a> Resolved
16:39:14 <r12a> Topic: Greek emphasis dots & metrical marks
16:44:35 <Katy> e.g. ⏒  ‎23D2  METRICAL LONG OVER SHORT
16:45:36 <Katy> JcK: Use of zero-width joiners; there are similar chars in Arabic or Hebrew that are aggravated by RTL
16:46:21 <Katy> r12a: Armenian explanation mark + question mark, that are displayed above the vowel nearest the end
16:46:46 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/armenian/#tonal_punctuation
16:49:11 <Katy> JcK: can you lose the emphasis marks without loss of meaning
16:51:25 <Katy> JcK: If there were a perfect normalisation algorithm, it would treat the emphasis marks in different ways.
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16:54:08 <Katy> JcK: Charmod-Norm, getting a sophisticated use of lang typically requires lang specific info.
16:54:24 <Katy> ... no. of one-to-one examples.
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