IRC log of i18n on 2018-02-22

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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 22 February 2018
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present+ Katy, Bert, r12a
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regrets+ Addison
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regrets+ Fuquiao
16:06:27 [Katy]
scribenick: Katy
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present+ JcK
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Topic: Action Items
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close action-696
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Closed action-696.
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close action-697
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Closed action-697.
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Topic: Info Share
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16:11:42 [Katy]
r12a: Language matrix, links to docs where people can identify gap analysis
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... new one, an example that is developed.
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... incl. tests and figures; generates some info
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r12a: suggested a single group to contacts for Khmer & Lao
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... looking for Thai and Myanmar
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Topic: IMSC character sets
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16:15:52 [Katy]
JcK: Reposted to key thread, moving towards CLDR
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... looking for advice on that.
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16:17:17 [Katy]
r12a: Talk about the wider question…
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... Application uses UTF-8, no need to specify the character set.
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... The fonts or rendering algorithms are not unavailable to support specific char-ranges / langs
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... Aims to assist authors b/c existing processes are poor at supporting foreign languages
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... One shouldn't take it too far, to rely on these applications
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... content authors may require some advice, to ensure that texts support these chars
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... symbols etc, commonly used in video transcriptions, may be unavailable in CLDR
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... when dealing with legacy applications, may find have poor support for multilingual texts
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... by implication, the application developers may not have multilingual support;
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... whereas this limits to specific sets of characters.
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... CLDR may not always be accurate or complete (?)
16:22:44 [Katy]
... in thread, tried to suggest an alternative wording
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JcK: Have posted the wrong solution to the wrong problem. It's an interesting question.
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... if updating legacy application, should update accordingly
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r12a: If this is about legacy applications, then look at what charsets are supported
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... expecting that applications will rely on CLDR
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... meaning expecting applications to limit their support for chars
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JcK: The issue about chars in legacy applications, or langs not appearing in CLDR either, fact that imposing chars in langs which have no possible use for them.
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... Fundamentally, wrong solution to wrong problem
16:27:32 [Katy]
... utility of decorated Latin chars is a little dubious. Taking us back to pre-Unicode definition of HTML.
16:29:00 [Katy]
... suggests opening up a new thread, distance from fonts etc.
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r12a: recommends waiting to see what happens on this thread, first.
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r12a: Another infoshare:
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Topic: More infoshare
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16:34:02 [Katy]
... Tweet explains the first public working draft of text layout for Arabic script.
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... lot of text; not yet many instructions for implementers.
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... publishing it may get some attention.
16:34:57 [r12a]
Topic: Closing TTML Issues
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16:36:52 [r12a]
Proposed: Close all TTML issues listed at above URL
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16:37:04 [JcK]
16:37:05 [Katy]
16:37:31 [Bert]
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Topic: Greek emphasis dots & metrical marks
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JcK: Use of zero-width joiners; there are similar chars in Arabic or Hebrew that are aggravated by RTL
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r12a: Armenian explanation mark + question mark, that are displayed above the vowel nearest the end
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16:49:11 [Katy]
JcK: can you lose the emphasis marks without loss of meaning
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JcK: If there were a perfect normalisation algorithm, it would treat the emphasis marks in different ways.
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JcK: Charmod-Norm, getting a sophisticated use of lang typically requires lang specific info.
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... no. of one-to-one examples.
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I have made the request to generate r12a
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s/scribenick: Katy/
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I have made the request to generate Bert
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s/Another infoshare:/
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