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20:47:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:47:24 <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2018
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21:03:51 <roba> scribenick: roba
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21:04:29 <Makx> present+ Makx
21:05:51 <SimonCox> TOPIC: approve minutes of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.02.20
21:06:06 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve minutes of February 13
21:06:51 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f3
21:07:18 <SimonCox> How about AUstralia?
21:07:21 <Makx> +1 to meeting minutes
21:07:22 <RubenVerborgh> at W3C in Boston? :-)
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21:07:41 <SimonCox> We can host in Melbourne or Canberra any time
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21:08:34 <antoine> I could try and see if we have rooms in The Hague (for free, at least the room...)
21:09:13 <SimonCox> No cost for meeting rooms in Melbourne or Canberra
21:09:23 <SimonCox> ... or Brisbane
21:09:58 <roba> kcoyle: sub group actions not in tracker automatically. any ideas?
21:10:17 <AndreaPerego> Need an action from Dave.
21:10:18 <kcoyle> q?
21:10:52 <roba> ...option - leave on github - open as question on mailing list?
21:11:02 <AndreaPerego> The current option we have is to create them manually after the meetins.
21:11:10 <SimonCox> q+
21:11:11 <AndreaPerego> s/meetins/meetings/
21:11:20 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:12:01 <roba> SimonCox: tension between w3C tracker and activity in github - some people not engaged via github
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21:13:02 <roba> ...open PRs - open several weeks - unable to report some actions because not yet processed on github - are people willing and able to use..
21:13:35 <DaveBrowning> present+
21:13:44 <roba> kcoyle: can we see actions?
21:13:59 <roba> SimonCox: doesnt have actions, but issues can be assigned
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21:15:19 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/assigned/dr-shorthair
21:15:48 <DaveBrowning> Antoine
21:16:04 <DaveBrowning> Bingo
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21:16:16 <roba> kcoyle: github activities gor to dxwg - so people signed up to github will see doubles - unwatch on github.
21:16:33 <SimonCox> To see all issues mentioning you, use https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+mentions%3A{yourGitHubID}
21:17:17 <SimonCox> To see all issues 'assigned' to you, use https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+assignee%3A{yourGitHubID}
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21:18:23 <roba> kcoyle: one issue not responded to from Ana
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21:20:07 <roba> roba: propose to respond - dcat profile subtypes not yet identified as a need - will emerge.
21:20:18 <roba> and ask for more details re other use cases
21:20:44 <antoine> there's already a template, no?
21:21:01 <roba> kcoyle: can someone start a respec template for profiles document and add agreed definitions
21:21:20 <annette_g> Hi folks, sorry I'm late
21:21:28 <roba> RubenVerborgh: template ready...
21:21:32 <kcoyle> ACTION: RubenVerborgh paste profile definition into github document
21:21:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Paste profile definition into github document [on Ruben Verborgh - due 2018-02-27].
21:22:47 <roba> * kcoyle: birds on agenda for F2F ;-0
21:22:48 <SimonCox> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_lorikeet
21:23:22 <roba> kcoyle: agenda - aligning DCAT and ADMS...
21:23:32 <kcoyle> q?
21:23:33 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/113
21:24:05 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/110
21:24:08 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/53
21:25:07 <RubenVerborgh> Completed ACITON-80: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/commit/6b9b800981a34bcb745031c5980f0f8acf856082
21:25:20 <RubenVerborgh> s/ACITON/ACTION/
21:25:28 <alejandra> Makx's original issue about aligning with ADMS was related to the issue of removing domain/ranges
21:25:59 <roba> * simon - can you summarize that plz!
21:27:06 <roba> SimonCox: what are implications on ADMS for proposed changes on DCAT
21:27:10 <AndreaPerego> Just to note that adms:Identifier is also used in DCAT-AP.
21:27:30 <roba> Makx: developed in parallel to DCAT
21:27:49 <roba> ... to describe "interoperability assets" - models, schemas etc
21:28:26 <roba> ...W3C was a member of the EU working group
21:29:11 <roba> ...Overlap with DCAT - ADMS was more specialised - decided ADMS was subclasses of DCAT
21:29:44 <roba> ...some cross-fertilisation - e.g adms:contactPoint -> dcat:contactPoint
21:30:02 <roba> ...cross between base standard and application profile
21:30:06 <SimonCox> (but no dependencies from DCAT to ADMS)
21:30:22 <SimonCox> ADMS does depend on DCAT
21:30:56 <SimonCox> ADMS rec is here https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/
21:31:37 <SimonCox> adms:Identifier class is here https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/#identifier
21:31:42 <roba> ...identifier was discussed - ADMS had microformat proposal
21:31:49 <kcoyle> q?
21:31:56 <roba> ...but question is whether there is a need to upgrade ADMS
21:31:56 <SimonCox> q+
21:31:58 <alejandra> +q
21:31:59 <roba> q+
21:32:03 <SimonCox> q-
21:32:21 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:32:40 <roba> ...Makx: volunteered  at the time to take action to look at ADMS "in the future"
21:33:16 <roba> alejandra: good to look at solutions to inform - c.f. schema.org and lifesciences groups
21:33:40 <roba> ...does it need to be in charter?
21:33:54 <SimonCox> q+
21:34:14 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:34:58 <kcoyle> roba: question for makx - do we know any other dcat specializations or extensions that are out there?
21:35:00 <roba> kcoyle: charter allows us to make "decisions we feel necessary?"
21:35:12 <PWinstanley> q+
21:35:34 <roba> roba: is adms implemented widely - and what other dcat specialisations are they - and do we need to worry about.
21:35:42 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:36:00 <kcoyle> ?+
21:36:06 <AndreaPerego> q-
21:36:07 <kcoyle> q?
21:36:20 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:36:21 <roba> makx: 5-7 implemented using in EU context - if backwards compatibility and deprecation followed not a problem
21:36:25 <annette_g> present+
21:37:23 <kcoyle> q?
21:37:44 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
21:37:46 <roba> SimonCox: need to be clear about scope: data exchange, new version of DCAT - dont see how group should be involved in revising other artefacts - worried about resources
21:37:51 <kcoyle> q+
21:37:54 <alejandra> yes, what Simon mentioned is what I was trying to say before - thanks
21:39:20 <Makx> q+
21:39:22 <roba> PWinstanley: UCR doc got "little traction" - so getting into BP territory for existing activities means possibly making dxwg less authoritative.
21:39:51 <roba> ...link into EU projects - but rest of world - how do we touch them?
21:39:56 <kcoyle> ack kcoyle
21:40:27 <alejandra> +q
21:40:32 <roba> kcoyle: schema.org needs discussing - after DCAT gets further along - a big issue around discoverability
21:40:51 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley, about reaching the scientific community world-wide, an option is to do this via RDA (Research Data Alliance).
21:40:52 <kcoyle> ack Makx
21:41:15 <roba> Makx: multiple threads here - back to ADMS
21:41:51 <PWinstanley> mine is related to ADMS because there are EU projects, cataloguing data, that should be using ADMS/DCAT and they are not involved with us nor us with them
21:42:13 <roba> ... understand reservations - ADMS looking to DCAT
21:42:15 <roba> q+
21:42:16 <kcoyle> q?
21:42:22 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:42:59 <roba> alejandra: ADMS source of information to extend DCAT
21:42:59 <PWinstanley> +1 to Alejandra
21:43:37 <roba> ...learn from alignment (but outside our scope)
21:43:50 <Makx> q+
21:43:53 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:44:15 <kcoyle> ack Makx
21:44:34 <roba> roba: can ADMS be recast as a profile of DCAT?
21:44:45 <kcoyle> q+
21:44:56 <SimonCox> q+
21:45:08 <SimonCox> q-
21:45:22 <roba> Makx: there is no ADMS community - problem with W3C not having a change and release policy...
21:45:23 <SimonCox> q+ to report on how maintainenace of SSN is being handled
21:45:26 <alejandra> ok, thanks for clarifying Makx
21:46:04 <kcoyle> ack kcoyle
21:46:10 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:46:10 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to report on how maintainenace of SSN is being handled
21:46:16 <Makx> q+
21:46:19 <AndreaPerego> -1 to create a new thing in DCAT replacing adms:Identifier
21:46:20 <roba> kcoyle: discussion focussed on identifiers - if we like would we use adms or create parallel DCAT property
21:46:44 <roba> SimonCox: dcat does not depend on ADMS - should retain this
21:47:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:48:17 <kcoyle> q?
21:49:10 <roba> ...work on SSN rolled over from SDWWorkingGroup to SDWInterestGroup
21:50:10 <roba> SDWIG able to publish W3C notes - so extensions are non-normative but available
21:50:35 <kcoyle> ack Makx
21:50:56 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
21:51:02 <roba> Makx: move to sub-group then report back
21:51:48 <roba> AndreaPerego: voted -1 because adms:identifier already used in DCAT-AP
21:52:09 <SimonCox> We can always say dcat:Identifier owl:equivalentClass adms:Identifier .
21:52:20 <roba> can it not also be made a subclass of dcat:identifier just as easily?
21:52:42 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/131
21:53:32 <roba> SimonCox: changes being considered to dcat resources - e.g. dropping domain axioms
21:54:23 <roba> ...are we changing semantics enough it is no longer the same thing - does it need a new namespaces?
21:55:01 <kcoyle> ?+
21:55:08 <kcoyle> q+
21:55:10 <roba> ...but issue is - is it the same thing, and do we need a new identifier. All but original poster is against new namespace as adoption barrier.
21:55:33 <roba> ...so how much can we change and merit retaining URIs
21:55:47 <SimonCox> q+
21:55:54 <roba> kcoyle: does W3C have versions in namespaces?
21:56:05 <kcoyle> q?
21:56:09 <kcoyle> ack kcoyle
21:56:38 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
21:57:23 <roba> SimonCox: some version designators - but this has now been largely discontinued - and old version numbers point to later versions of docs.
21:57:31 <kcoyle> q?
21:57:32 <antoine> q+
21:57:35 <AndreaPerego> FOAF is an example.
21:58:13 <SimonCox> SKOS also
21:58:13 <roba> AndreaPerego: e.g. SKOS
21:58:23 <Makx> q+
21:58:30 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:58:39 <kcoyle> ack Makx
21:58:54 <AndreaPerego> s/AndreaPerego:/Antoine:/
21:58:59 <roba> Makx: not versioning namespaces, but version specifications
21:59:11 <roba> q+
21:59:12 <SimonCox> We can version the specification, as implemented in an RDF file or graph
21:59:32 <SimonCox> but not the URI's for concepts whose semantics have not changed
21:59:44 <alejandra> about Maks' comment, we were calling the new DCAT document 1.1. while the issue we are discussing jumps to DCAT 2.0
21:59:52 <roba> ...does it break something?
21:59:54 <alejandra> this is a discussion we need to have too
22:00:01 <SimonCox> q+
22:00:17 <alejandra> but we are chaning semantics, even if the changes are not so 'significant' at the moment
22:00:22 <SimonCox> q+ to note that few implementations use reasoning
22:00:26 <roba> ...look at each case
22:00:28 <alejandra> s/chaning/changing
22:00:48 <kcoyle> ack roba
22:01:22 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
22:01:22 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to note that few implementations use reasoning
22:01:38 <roba> roba: can we publish DCAT1 profile of DCAT 2?
22:02:05 <PWinstanley> q+
22:02:08 <roba> SimonCox: good idea :-)
22:02:22 <roba> ... so who is reasoning over these axioms?
22:02:35 <PWinstanley> q-
22:02:53 <Makx> ok thanks bye bye
22:02:55 <alejandra> I made the same point that roba made in the discussion in this issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/110
22:02:58 <LarsG> Thanks, bye!
22:02:59 <alejandra> thanks! bye
22:03:00 <PWinstanley> bye
22:03:02 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
22:03:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/02/20-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:03:10 <SimonCox> Roba: publish a dcat v1 profile that adds the v1 axioms back in
22:04:06 <kcoyle> regrets+ Jaroslav Pullmann
22:04:18 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:04:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/02/20-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:05:06 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
22:05:09 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:05:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/02/20-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:06:11 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: I've gotten the minutes created - may not need your help this week ;-)
22:07:13 <AndreaPerego> agenda: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.02.20
22:07:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:08:00 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.02.20
22:08:01 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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