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21:09:28 <PWinstanley> rob, did you call in by phone?
21:10:10 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: you can kick them off - it is your call
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21:10:34 <antoine> Topic: Admin
21:10:58 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Lars, Alejandra
21:11:01 <riccardoAlbertoni__> present+
21:11:15 <antoine> Proposal: approve last meeting minutes
21:11:19 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:11:22 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2018/01/23-dxwg-minutes
21:11:25 <SimonCox> not present, can't say
21:11:35 <antoine> 0
21:11:38 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +0 (absent last time)
21:11:52 <riccardoAlbertoni__> 0 ( i was absent)
21:11:53 <annette_g> +1
21:11:57 <kcoyle> +1
21:12:53 <antoine> PWinstanley: I was there but not on the list
21:13:17 <Ixchel> +1
21:13:21 <antoine> RESOLVED:  approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/01/23-dxwg-minutes on the condition to add Peter's name
21:13:37 <antoine> Topic: Open Actions
21:13:43 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:14:03 <antoine> PWinstanley: there are a number of actions that are pending review
21:14:11 <antoine> ... where do they go to?
21:14:21 <antoine> ... they need to move forward
21:14:32 <antoine> ... but first let's tackle the open ones
21:14:50 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/74
21:14:57 <antoine> kcoyle: I forgot, will do soon
21:15:04 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/76
21:15:18 <antoine> Ixchel: I think Rob sent something on the public list
21:15:28 <antoine> ... there's a comment that just came in
21:15:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:15:54 <antoine> ... Rob, Jaro and I will discuss them and bring to this call when needed
21:15:56 <PWinstanley> ack  Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:15:57 <kcoyle> q+
21:16:06 <antoine> Jaro: I have to look at the comments and react
21:16:21 <antoine> ... there is a deadline in the request for comments
21:16:46 <antoine> PWinstanley: 20th January, but we also agreed that people could comment through members of the WG
21:16:55 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:17:08 <antoine> kcoyle: I though Ixchel said comments had been answered
21:17:16 <antoine> ... but I don't see one for Ana Baptista
21:17:30 <antoine> Ixchel: my understanding was that Rob would develop an answer to send her.
21:17:41 <antoine> kcoyle: there are complications in what she brings up
21:17:47 <antoine> ... we should discuss it on the list
21:18:01 <antoine> PWinstanley: should I propose that there can be a range of APs?
21:18:21 <antoine> ... it seems that she is hinting that there's work going beyond what we were originally speaking about
21:18:36 <antoine> kcoyle: she also proposes new requirements
21:18:48 <antoine> Ixchel: Rob had an action on a short profile definition
21:18:53 <antoine> kcoyle: I think it's different
21:19:03 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/77
21:19:06 <antoine> PWinstanley: can we close?
21:19:17 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:19:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/01/30-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:19:17 <kcoyle> q+
21:19:27 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:19:45 <antoine> kcoyle: I think we can close, and thank AndreaPerego
21:20:05 <antoine> ... we should link to AndreaPerego's email from the front page
21:20:10 <antoine> AndreaPerego: I didn't do it
21:20:15 <antoine> kcoyle: I can do it
21:20:55 <antoine> PWinstanley: so we close this action
21:22:31 <antoine> Topic: Use Cases and Requirements
21:22:50 <antoine> PWinstanley: anything beyond Ana Baptista's mail
21:23:02 <antoine> Ixchel: there was another mail. I think we're alright.
21:23:18 <antoine> PWinstanley: this is an item that we keep in the agenda for next meetings
21:23:32 <antoine> Topic: Profiles
21:23:52 <antoine> PWinstanley: any volunteer?
21:24:05 <kcoyle> ?+
21:24:13 <antoine> q+
21:24:17 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:24:37 <antoine> kcoyle: I have a feeling that 3 deliverables may be a bit much
21:24:59 <antoine> ... people are working on DCAT they might not have the time to work on something else
21:25:07 <antoine> ... maybe we can defer the profile work
21:25:33 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:25:47 <PWinstanley> antoine: Maybe we can do a short deliverable
21:26:00 <PWinstanley> ... or something that can be moved into the conneg one
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21:26:11 <SimonCox> q+
21:26:16 <PWinstanley> ... Also, what is the timing for the Profile def?
21:26:33 <antoine> kcoyle: timing was left off the charter
21:26:44 <antoine> ... this was an error. We gave it the same timing as the others
21:26:52 <antoine> ... FPWD in 1st quarter 2018
21:26:54 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
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21:27:18 <antoine> SimonCox: both the profile and the conneg have wider scope than DCAT
21:27:35 <antoine> ... we may find ourselves in the position to discussion webarch issues
21:28:02 <roba> q+
21:28:03 <antoine> ... I'm not sure the rest of the group will be able to follow
21:28:09 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:28:34 <antoine> roba: I was prompted by Phil Archer
21:28:50 <antoine> ... profile was a hole in the architecture
21:29:05 <antoine> ... Phil wanted to have the discussion in this group
21:29:33 <antoine> PWinstanley: is there anything in Ana Baptista's comment that helps us move forward
21:29:38 <antoine> ... or would discourage us?
21:29:47 <antoine> roba: I still have to look at
21:29:58 <antoine> ... she mentions 3 different issues
21:30:10 <antoine> ... I didn't see any fundamental requirement for a change of direction
21:30:20 <kcoyle> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Jan/0001.html
21:30:38 <antoine> PWinstanley: there's nobody to lead us
21:30:45 <antoine> ... to progress on this
21:30:51 <antoine> roba: what is needed
21:30:59 <antoine> PWinstanley: a description of a profile
21:31:14 <antoine> roba: I thought I had done it. We discussed it with the profile negotiation sub-group
21:31:24 <antoine> PWinstanley: so I guess you're the leader
21:31:28 <antoine> q+
21:31:58 <antoine> roba: all I've done is teasing out a definition from ISO, try to adapt it.
21:32:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:32:08 <antoine> ... fairly simple process.
21:32:18 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:32:40 <antoine> kcoyle: I think rob has worked on defining profiles
21:32:50 <SimonCox> (is that ISO 10000?)
21:32:52 <antoine> ... so that the conneg group can move forward
21:33:03 <SimonCox> q+
21:33:05 <antoine> ... that's different from doing a description
21:33:26 <annette_g> where is the strawman?
21:33:57 <roba> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/ProfileContext
21:34:05 <kcoyle> q+
21:34:14 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:34:19 <annette_g> Is it the under Rob's name?
21:34:30 <annette_g> s/the/the one/
21:34:44 <antoine> antoine: about to volunteer, but not much time.
21:34:51 <roba> no - the one pulled out to the top of the document, discussion below saved for context.
21:34:57 <antoine> ... maybe kcoyle's suggestion to postpone is better
21:35:10 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:35:12 <antoine> ... and rely on roba's definition
21:35:21 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:35:21 <roba> q+
21:35:28 <antoine> SimonCox: kcoyle and antoine have been involved in Dublin Core and Europeana
21:35:40 <antoine> ... is it a cautionary tale? usable?
21:35:52 <antoine> kcoyle: it is very difficult to come with a technology
21:36:06 <antoine> ... what DC has done is to come with guidelines
21:36:12 <antoine> ... maybe they could be generalized
21:36:28 <antoine> ... I could come with a draft (drafty!)
21:36:42 <antoine> ... and we could see whether this is what we mean by guidelines.
21:36:45 <antoine> q+
21:36:50 <annette_g> q+
21:36:51 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:37:32 <antoine> AndreaPerego: basically what we have done is to identify the core classes and properties
21:37:37 <antoine> ... but this was informal
21:37:57 <antoine> ... classes and controlled vocabularies
21:38:05 <antoine> ... madatory and optional
21:38:14 <antoine> ... later on we worked with SHACL
21:38:15 <annette_g> q-
21:38:31 <PWinstanley> s/madatory/mandatory/
21:38:48 <antoine> ... the work I've done was to complement DCAT with a spec of what one should use
21:39:32 <antoine> ... from informal to formal (SHACL)
21:39:55 <antoine> ... the AP was developed as a data interchange format
21:40:12 <antoine> ... it can be used internally or externally
21:40:21 <antoine> ... distributed harvesting of data
21:40:25 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:40:49 <antoine> roba: there are profiles out there and tools to formalize them
21:41:04 <antoine> ... there's no canonical means to represent the relation
21:41:35 <antoine> ... we need a lightweight ontology that describes at a high-level how profiles are attached
21:41:54 <antoine> ... and how documentation and formal specs are attached to profile
21:42:12 <antoine> ... it doesn't have to be prescriptive
21:42:21 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:42:50 <antoine> ... I believe we can do sthg
21:42:53 <antoine> Antoine: +1
21:43:18 <antoine> PWinstanley: proposal that we accept as a draft the definition that Rob has prepared
21:43:33 <antoine> ... so that we can progress on the basis of this definition
21:43:43 <antoine> q+
21:44:00 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:44:29 <kcoyle> q+
21:44:32 <antoine> PWinstanley: it needs a bit of editing but it's not a big project.
21:44:37 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:44:43 <roba> happy to take on editorial responsibility to update as group provides and agrees on evidence and change proposals to def.
21:44:51 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/ProfileContext#Draft_common_definition_and_explanation_of_.22profile.22
21:45:01 <antoine> kcoyle: Ruben has a couple of objections
21:45:12 <antoine> ... I would not feel confident about voting
21:45:24 <antoine> q+
21:45:42 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:46:25 <antoine> antoine: I've tried to answer Ruben's comments
21:46:43 <antoine> PWinstanley: we could handle this in the next meeting depending on Ruben's availability
21:46:43 <roba> q+
21:46:48 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:47:10 <antoine> roba: I think we need to agree on what is an objection
21:47:37 <antoine> ... I think some claims are too general
21:48:11 <antoine> PWinstanley: we need to carry this one over
21:48:17 <antoine> ... please continue discussion on mailing list
21:48:30 <antoine> Topic: DCAT
21:48:48 <SimonCox> Unfortunately I was also not in that meeting
21:48:50 <roba> will need evidence for any assertion that definitions are incompatible with other ideas and more importantly requirements in UCR
21:49:01 <antoine> PWinstanley: we pushed ahead
21:49:09 <antoine> ... we discussed two items
21:49:13 <AndreaPerego> DCT meeting minutes: https://www.w3.org/2018/01/24-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:49:17 <antoine> ... 1. we agreed to using Github
21:49:29 <AndreaPerego> s/DCT/DCAT subgroup/
21:49:49 <antoine> ... there were concerns though
21:50:12 <antoine> 2. we agreed to have a piece of work for reviewing how the comments are tagged
21:50:34 <antoine> Topic: Profile negotiation
21:51:09 <antoine> roba: we talked through the definition and the issue of tagging accuracy for use cases and requirements
21:51:18 <antoine> ... there was an action to make sure tags are correct
21:51:38 <antoine> ... we reviewed the direction and resourcing and goald
21:51:44 <antoine> s/goald/goals
21:52:07 <antoine> PWinstanley: in the table we don't have a link to the minutes of this meeting
21:52:14 <antoine> ... can someone check with Dave?
21:52:27 <antoine> kcoyle: I think if I change it in the agenda it will appear
21:52:41 <antoine> roba: Lars undertook the process to be on top of the commands
21:53:06 <antoine> ... we should attach it to the minutes
21:53:20 <antoine> kcoyle: were minutes taken?
21:53:33 <antoine> PWinstanley: did you use IRC/Zakim?
21:53:36 <antoine> roba: no
21:53:55 <antoine> ... we decided to record the actions
21:54:08 <antoine> PWinstanley: will you be able to use IRC/Zakim for the next meeting?
21:54:11 <antoine> roba: yes
21:54:28 <antoine> Topic: ODI survey results
21:54:45 <antoine> PWinstanley: Dave was going to bring them to the meeting but he's on the road
21:54:57 <antoine> AOB?
21:55:13 <antoine> Topic: AOB
21:55:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:55:46 <antoine> kcoyle: I wanted to send an email that mails with links to the minutes should mention what was done
21:55:56 <antoine> ... short abstract
21:55:57 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:56:17 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we plan to visit a workshop on ?? Linked Data in Vienna
21:56:26 <antoine> ... April 17-18
21:56:40 <antoine> PWinstanley: I've mentioned it to my colleagues. Very interesting
21:56:53 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: one area is application of ODRL
21:57:05 <antoine> ... one missing thing is guidance on applying ODRL
21:57:14 <antoine> q+
21:57:31 <antoine> PWinstanley: related to the work of Ben, Dave's colleagye
21:57:34 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:57:49 <PWinstanley> s/colleagye/colleague/
21:57:56 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://www.w3.org/2018/vocabws/
21:58:02 <antoine> s/??/Privacy and/
21:58:12 <annette_g> thanks all!
21:58:13 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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21:58:16 <AndreaPerego> Bye!
21:58:18 <riccardoAlbertoni__> thanks, bye
21:58:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Data Privacy Controls and Vocabularies
21:58:29 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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21:58:37 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
21:59:18 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
21:59:18 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.01.30
21:59:28 <AndreaPerego> chair: PWinstanley
21:59:31 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:00:42 <PWinstanley> thanks for your help Andrea
22:01:05 <PWinstanley> Thanks for your help too kcoyle
22:01:25 <PWinstanley> have a good week kcoyle
22:01:27 <PWinstanley> bye
22:01:33 <PWinstanley> bye AndreaPerego
22:02:46 <kcoyle> Andrea, you are by Lago Maggiore, right? We need to think about the next face-to-face, and I was hoping for Italy
22:03:00 <kcoyle> it looks like your place isn't easy to get to
22:07:55 <AndreaPerego> Got it.
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