20:05:08 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 20:05:08 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/01/10-sdw-irc 20:05:10 repeating the correct webex link for Mark: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m8796f88f95b74286ab85e2c1e6ec54cc 20:05:15 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:05:19 sorry Mark I got the wrong one before 20:05:28 Meeting: Stats on the Web BP Call 20:05:29 josephabhayaratna has joined #sdw 20:05:35 Chair: Bill 20:06:10 kalampokis has joined #sdw 20:06:46 Present+ Bill_Roberts, Joseph_Abhayaratna, Michael_Gordon, Francois_Daoust, Evangelos_Kalampokis 20:06:56 scribenick: tidoust 20:07:01 present+ 20:07:03 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2018Jan/0011.html 20:07:19 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2018Jan/0011.html 20:07:54 billroberts: Short call today as I'm in lovely Heathrow terminal 5, and about to board. 20:08:11 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/stats-bp/work-plan.md 20:08:12 ... In the plenary, Jeremy advised subgroups to make some plans about what we might want to achieve and by when 20:08:17 ... I put together a document on GitHub 20:08:33 ... with main milestones of what I think we need to achieve in the group. 20:09:05 ... I'd like to get people's thoughts about milestones and tasks. I went until summer, at which point I think we should have a first public working draft 20:09:27 ... We have quite some time after that. At least until end of 2018 20:09:56 ... First thing is our use cases document. About 10 use cases for now. I need to add some details on some of them. Others can be added. 20:10:31 ... Nearly final version of the use cases document should be ready by our upcoming F2F end of February. About 6 weeks away from now. 20:10:37 ... That seems doable to me. 20:11:07 ... Then it's worth analysing the use cases and deriving requirements, and then tying these together and publish that as a working draft. That would take us to end of April. 20:11:29 ... I then suggest a further month to flesh out a list of best practices, and a couple of months after that to write details. 20:11:39 Present+ Andrea_Parago 20:11:54 billroberts: That's my proposal, any thoughts on that? 20:12:01 josephabhayaratna: That looks OK to me. 20:12:12 AndreaPerego has joined #sdw 20:12:21 present+ AndreaPerego 20:12:25 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/stats-bp/work-plan.md 20:13:25 Francois: we don't have to publish a FWPD of the use case and requirements doc. It could just be on github 20:14:33 tidoust: Just to note that you don't "have to" publish the use cases and requirements doc as a First Public Working Draft. It can remain an informal document on GitHub. 20:14:47 billroberts: OK, good to know that we can save some overhead there. 20:14:53 use case list https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/stats-bp/draft-use-case-list.md 20:15:02 Topic: Draft use cases list 20:15:19 billroberts: Some from Chris Little, some from me, and another one added recently. 20:15:32 ... It starts to look reasonably sensible 20:16:23 q+ 20:16:30 ... I'd like you to review the list, and provide feedback. This is very much a dynamic document. If you have problem has issues with GitHub, just let us know, Francois and I will be happy to help 20:16:34 Zakim has joined #sdw 20:17:02 ... Please add your own thoughts in that document 20:17:03 ack m 20:17:23 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/994/files 20:17:33 marqh: In terms of workflow, I don't have edit rights on the document, but I just created a request for change to add new use cases. 20:18:22 ChrisLittle has joined #sdw 20:18:25 ... My sense from going through the use cases is that I'm interested in the level of details. The use cases I see are at quite an abstract level, and I wonder if it would be useful to talk about more practical use cases such as the one I've just posted. 20:18:45 Present+ ChrisLittle 20:18:52 ... Is what I just linked sensible in terms of details? 20:19:12 * Apologies could not get into Webex 20:19:50 billroberts: I'm very open here. Specific use cases are good in general. For now, we shouldn't be too worried about the style. Just stick your ideas in there, and we'll try to harmonize things later on. 20:20:09 ... Let's not be too particular about what goes in there. I'll merge that pull request later on. 20:21:15 marqh: Last comment is that I was quite keen about what we might want as an output. For instance "I want to download a graph as RDF". I'll leave that in there for the moment. To be discussed later on. 20:21:32 q+ 20:21:46 chris I initially shared the wrong link - try https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m8796f88f95b74286ab85e2c1e6ec54cc 20:21:58 ack andrea 20:22:29 Francois: Happy to give edit rights to anyone, but note pull requests seem like a good process to follow to me. 20:23:57 * that link still not working. what is the password? 20:24:12 AndreaPerego: Looking at the use cases that have been collected so far, my impression is that there are specific to statistical data published everywhere. Making best practices for statistical data published on the Web would be good. It may be worth making comparisons with the current Data on the Web BP, to identify best practices that we can promote. 20:24:53 +1 to referencing DWBP 20:24:59 ... For instance, if you publish CSV, provide alternative versions, such as some RDF serialization. 20:25:18 ... Making statistical data more friendly for search engines for instance. 20:25:19 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/stats-bp/examples-of-good-practice.md 20:25:53 billroberts: The other document I created is rather empty but meant to contain existing best practices 20:26:04 ... That can help us giving some concrete things to talk about. 20:26:30 ... Do please add examples to that document as well. 20:27:22 ... Please take a bit of time over the next few weeks to look at these documents and contribute. 20:27:52 Nothing from me 20:28:01 ... Any other business? 20:28:40 nothing from me 20:28:42 ... OK, let's continue online then. Let's aim to have another call in two weeks from now (24 January 2018) 20:28:50 ... Thanks for joining! 20:29:07 thanks everyone! 20:29:14 will be in touch on the mailing list 20:29:20 bye 20:29:47 i/billroberts: Short call today/Topic: Work plan for Stats subgroup/ 20:29:53 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 20:29:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/01/10-sdw-minutes.html tidoust 20:30:29 billrobe_ has joined #sdw 20:31:14 AndreaPerego has joined #sdw