20:52:34 RRSAgent has joined #dxwg 20:52:34 logging to https://www.w3.org/2017/12/19-dxwg-irc 20:52:44 rrsagent, make logs public 20:53:19 chair: Caroline Burle 20:59:42 Caroline has joined #DXWG 21:00:41 Present+ 21:01:51 Makx has joined #dxwg 21:03:07 SimonCox has joined #dxwg 21:03:09 annette_g has joined #dxwg 21:03:27 present+ 21:03:36 Jaroslav_Pullmann has joined #dxwg 21:03:42 RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #DXWG 21:03:46 DaveBrowning has joined #dxwg 21:03:56 present+ 21:04:18 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.12.19 21:04:26 present+ 21:04:31 present+ 21:04:48 alejandra has joined #dxwg 21:04:49 present+ 21:04:51 present+ 21:05:03 present+ 21:05:33 Scribe: alejandra 21:05:39 chair: Caroline 21:05:43 present+ 21:05:57 https://www.w3.org/2017/12/12-dxwg-minutes 21:06:17 Topic: approve last week's minutes 21:06:20 ALl good 21:06:26 +1 21:06:29 +1 21:06:30 +1 21:06:34 +1 21:06:37 +1 21:06:45 +0 (i was not there) 21:06:55 RESOLVED: last week's minutes approved 21:07:27 caroline: next meeting 9th January 21:07:31 ... two weeks off 21:07:36 ... people can work on their actions 21:07:48 ... first item of the agenda: promotion of FPWD 21:08:00 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=0 21:08:11 ... several people have promoted it, if you haven't promote it, please do 21:08:40 ... this is an initial list of the people who attended the Amsterdam workshop 21:08:52 ... but you can add more people to get as much feedback as possible 21:09:02 ... there is some suggested text to be distributed 21:09:04 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/PromoteUCRFPWD 21:09:06 ... included on the wiki 21:09:13 ... and also distributed by kcoyle via email 21:09:26 ... a suggestion to make it easy on how to promote 21:09:35 ... this is an action to everyone 21:09:37 q? 21:09:41 q+ 21:09:51 ack kcoyle 21:10:01 +1 21:10:07 kcoyle: we might need to go through this again at the beginning of January 21:10:20 ... as it is hard to get people's attention at this time of the year 21:10:53 Caroline: deadline is January 20th to provide comments 21:11:05 ... if you change the template, please keep the deadline 21:11:15 q? 21:11:36 Caroline: we have a list of open actions 21:11:53 I will send out mine this week 21:11:56 Jaroslav_Pullmann: I'll take care of my list after the holidays 21:12:54 kcoyle: my actions are completed 21:13:00 +q 21:13:11 ack alejandra 21:14:21 alejandra: for the DCAT subgroup we still need some people fill in the doodle 21:14:26 https://doodle.com/poll/7xmetdd4r4hy8465 21:14:47 q? 21:14:50 +1 21:15:07 s/+1/ 21:15:08 s/1/q 21:15:36 +1 21:15:40 alejandra: for the DCAT subgroup would be nice to meet on the first week of January 21:15:51 q= 21:16:00 q+ 21:16:08 ack kcoyle 21:16:16 +q 21:16:22 I meant the week of 8th January 21:16:42 kcoyle: we have in the agenda the selection of the meeting time 21:16:52 ... we should not overlap 21:19:13 for DCAT sub-group it seems Wednesdays 20 pm UTC is good 21:20:28 Perhaps this will help https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2018&p1=152&p2=224&p3=43&p4=213&p5=136&p6=215&iv=0 21:21:02 kcoyle: for the profiles group, Wednesday 8 pm or 9 pm UTC 21:21:08 thank you SimonCox :) 21:21:10 and Thursdays at the same time 21:21:43 20 UTC 21:22:35 https://doodle.com/poll/ex97heywgqhwc77z 21:23:48 SimonCox: DCAT sub-group Wednesdays 20 UTC 21:24:17 kcoyle: options left for profiles: Wednesdays 21 UTC or Thursday 20 UTC or 21 UTC 21:25:45 SimonCox: these groups might meet often, especially if working on a product and needs technical discussions 21:31:49 q? 21:31:56 ack Jaroslav_Pullmann 21:32:00 can you put it in IRC 21:32:16 discussion about dates 21:32:24 one meeting after the other 21:32:25 q+ 21:32:49 I can make 2100 Thursdays work if need be. 21:32:52 ack alejandra 21:32:57 DCAT wednesdays 20:00 UTC; profiles Thursdays 21:00 UTC 21:32:59 q+ 21:33:16 ack kcoyle 21:33:25 i would prefer different days, not two hours in a row 21:33:43 Caroline: we put out that proposal: DCAT wednesdays 20:00 UTC; profiles Thursdays 21:00 UTC 21:33:49 ... and then we see 21:34:03 1. DCAT Wednesday 20:00 UTC, Profiles Wednesday 21:00 UTC? (i.e. back-to-back) vs 2. DCAT Wednesday 20:00 UTC, Profiles Thursdays 21:00 UTC? 21:34:05 kcoyle: problem with one after the other, time of getting starting 21:34:31 ... technical discussions might need to stop 21:34:47 Simon included the options for the poll 21:34:51 straw poll: one day, 2 sessions; 2 separate days 21:35:08 2 separate days 21:35:12 +1 for 2 days 21:35:27 0 21:35:32 0 - will only participate in DCAT telcon 21:35:33 0 21:35:37 +1 for one day 21:35:40 separate days 21:35:46 2 separate days 21:35:54 +2 either OK 21:36:04 0 21:36:39 RESOLVED: the times for the sub-groups will be: DCAT wednesdays 20:00 UTC; profiles Thursdays 21:00 UTC 21:36:47 DCAT Wednesday 20:00 UTC, Profiles Thursdays 21:00 UTC 21:37:16 Caroline: one thing left is to check with Lars 21:37:27 q? 21:37:38 ... but he had indicated that if needed he could be available at 21 UTC 21:37:59 Caroline: have you got time to think about a replacement for a chair? 21:38:09 q? 21:38:14 ... as I won't be available 21:38:30 ... at least 6 months 21:39:10 If no-one else willing, I can try ... 21:40:54 kcoyle: we've got two other items 21:41:02 ... checking for updates from the groups 21:41:18 q? 21:41:28 q+ 21:41:32 SimonCox: DCAT group very little activity 21:41:40 ... I started thinking about laying the ground work 21:41:46 ... did a couple of things on Github 21:41:56 alejandra: I will take care of those PRs 21:42:07 SimonCox: we populated the draft document with content of DCAT 1.0 21:42:13 ... I got the RDF for the DCAT ontology 21:42:33 ... proposing to upload that as a starting point 21:43:53 alejandra: & Simon putting examples of DCAT AP ontologies/instance data on the page 21:44:00 ack kcoyle 21:44:26 alejandra: propose to also include examples from other models that have dealt with the DCAT gaps 21:44:36 kcoyle: how would you like me to send comments? 21:45:05 SimonCox: we haven't discussed this, but I think that I would urge people to centralise the discussion in github issues and PRs 21:45:09 +1 21:45:20 I totally agree 21:45:25 +1 to one place 21:46:06 q? 21:46:17 q+ 21:46:23 ack annette_g 21:46:41 annette_g: are the github issues going to be publicly viewable? 21:46:54 SimonCox: yes, anyone anywhere with a github account can create an issue 21:47:10 annette_g: you need an account 21:47:11 +q 21:47:35 SimonCox: you can read them without an account 21:47:42 ... the transparency requirement is met 21:47:51 ... the only problem would be what if it goes away 21:47:56 q+ 21:48:07 \me what about long term persistency of the discussion? 21:48:08 ... we are making a condition of the DCAT group to have a github account 21:48:11 ack alejandra 21:48:32 alejandra: that is more the management of the DCAT group 21:48:46 ... we said on the URC that the comments are through the mailing list 21:49:19 ... for DCAT it is better to use github, but it does not mean we will not respond the emails as well 21:49:41 SimonCox: W3C has actions and issues that we can trigger from IRC minutes 21:49:54 ... but still think the advantages of github outweigh other challenges 21:50:05 ... there might be a need to create shadow issues 21:50:18 there is an action for dsr to investigate the links to github 21:50:19 q? 21:50:23 ack kcoyle 21:50:42 kcoyle: there was a poll taken on the chairs list asking people what tool they use 21:50:52 ... most people where using github 21:50:56 q? 21:50:58 ... so we aren't out of step 21:51:19 Caroline: need to vote? 21:51:27 kcoyle: it's ok 21:51:28 github OK 21:51:35 Caroline: let's talk about profiles 21:51:37 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/ProfileContext 21:51:49 kcoyle: Ruben asked me to introduce this work 21:52:01 ... that's the page with proposal of definitions 21:52:23 ... Ruben did one, I did one, please comment here (apart from the comments on the mailing list) 21:52:32 ... you can also add your own definitions 21:52:41 ... it'd be good to this a bit more in the next weeks 21:52:48 q+ 21:52:52 ack SimonCox 21:52:53 ... we cannot do work on profiles until we agree on some key definitions 21:53:03 SimonCox: I added one more definition in there yesterda 21:53:10 s/yesterda/yesterday 21:53:23 ... it's an ISO/IEC joint standard 10000 21:53:36 ... it is not behind a paywall due to being joint with IEC 21:53:46 q? 21:53:48 ... I added the list of definitions from the standard in the wiki 21:54:02 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/ProfileContext#ISO.2FIEC_10000-1 21:54:24 Caroline: please, continue adding definitions/comments and let's continue the discussion via email until the next call 21:54:39 q? 21:55:28 SimonCox: it's a 20-year old standard but still an important reference point 21:56:46 q+ 21:56:52 ack PWinstanley 21:57:12 PWinstanley: what's the status of the Singapore statement about profiles? 21:57:28 kcoyle: it's a Dublin Core thing - primary DC document 21:57:38 ... not a standard, more of a working document 21:57:46 ... Singapore framework 21:57:54 ... it is fading on the background 21:58:01 ... we are working on a new document 21:58:13 ... but still the Singapore framework has a lot of validity 21:58:30 SimonCox: is the Dublin Core abstract model being superseded/overtaken? 21:58:36 kcoyle: it is being overtaken by RDF 21:59:09 ... it isn't quite parallel to RDF but clearly RDF is what things should be based on going forward 21:59:39 q? 22:00:42 present- 22:00:43 thanks, and bye all 22:00:48 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 22:00:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/12/19-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle 22:01:25 rrsagent, make minutes public 22:01:25 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', kcoyle. Try /msg RRSAgent help 22:01:30 rrsagent, make logs public 22:01:45 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 22:01:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/12/19-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle