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21:07:30 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/21-dxwg-minutes
21:07:34 <alejandra> Topic: approval of minutes of Nov 21st
21:07:48 <dsr> present+
21:08:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:08:11 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve minutes of Nov 21
21:08:36 <alejandra> Reminder: questionnaire for people to fill in
21:08:37 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/blog/2017/10/questionnaire-on-practices-tooling-for-web-data-standardisation/
21:09:20 <alejandra> dsr: this is an opportunity to gather data to help shape the future on how we develop data standards in W3C
21:09:32 <alejandra> dsr: working on a report based on questionnaire results
21:09:35 <Caroline> Caroline has joined #DXWG
21:09:40 <alejandra> ... hoping to have a report by January
21:09:50 <alejandra> ... sponsored by Innovate UK
21:10:03 <alejandra> ... please, fill in the questionnaire as soon as possible
21:10:17 <alejandra> q+
21:10:29 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:10:31 <Caroline> Present+
21:10:49 <alejandra> ... anyone with an interest in data standardisation can fill it in
21:11:53 <alejandra> kcoyle: before we vote on the draft, there is a comment on versioning
21:12:00 <alejandra> ... listed as 6.2.2.
21:12:10 <roba> pushed change with status comment for 6.8.2,3  to UCR
21:12:21 <kcoyle> "Provide clear guidance on conditions, type and severity of a resource's update that might motivate the creation of a new version in scenarios such as dataset evolution, conversion, translations etc, including how this may assist change management processes for consumers (e.g. semantic versioning techniques)"
21:12:23 <alejandra> ... rewording came from Dave and other comments by Makx and others
21:12:40 <Makx> present+ Makx
21:12:47 <alejandra> q+
21:12:55 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:12:57 <roba> I can make change when voted on :-)
21:13:16 <annette_g> "might motivate"
21:13:37 <alejandra> alejandra: does the text include Makx change too?
21:13:40 <alejandra> kcoyle: yes
21:13:40 <Makx> +1 of course
21:13:53 <annette_g> +1 to the might
21:14:00 <PWinstanley_> +!
21:14:02 <PWinstanley_> +1
21:14:09 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:14:12 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept changes to 6.2.2 as posted here
21:14:13 <LarsG> +1
21:14:16 <antoine> +1
21:14:18 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:14:19 <roba> +1
21:14:22 <annette_g> +1
21:14:25 <PWinstanley_> s/+!/+1/
21:14:34 <alejandra> +1
21:14:53 <dsr> +1
21:14:53 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept changes to 6.2.2 as posted here
21:15:26 <alejandra> kcoyle: do we issue this version of the UCR as FPWD?
21:15:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:15:43 <alejandra> q+
21:15:51 <antoine> q+
21:15:52 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: issue first public working draft of UCR
21:15:57 <kcoyle> q?
21:16:20 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the document as it is now, or can it be changed e.g. in terms of the labelling of some requirements
21:16:25 <LarsG> q+ to disccuss if the abstract is too DCATy
21:16:37 <alejandra> ... making IDs referenceable
21:16:47 <alejandra> kcoyle: if it can be done in a day or two
21:16:52 <alejandra> ... then yes
21:16:57 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:17:10 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:17:39 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:17:44 <roba> q+
21:17:46 <alejandra> alejandra: same question, would like to submit some modifications
21:17:48 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2017Nov/0117.html
21:18:02 <alejandra> antoine: I sent my question via email (see link above)
21:18:24 <alejandra> ... I sent a use case for Europeana and I still see it as it used to be, missing a few requirements
21:18:35 <roba> yes - as editor i was waiting for a definitive statement re updating it.
21:18:43 <alejandra> ... on the email discussion roba pointed out that there were a missing links to the use cases
21:18:57 <alejandra> kcoyle: what is missing? link to requirements or the use cases?
21:19:09 <alejandra> antoine: we had the discussion on the wording, have you seen them?
21:19:16 <alejandra> kcoyle: the changes don't seem to be in
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21:19:47 <alejandra> roba: the first thing I've done was to reorder the UCs and Requirements so that they match the grouping
21:19:52 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
21:19:54 <alejandra> ... the plan was to wait for the numbers to settle down
21:19:59 <alejandra> ... and then fix all the links
21:20:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q to propose a note in the document making explicit the kind of feedback we want from the readers
21:20:18 <alejandra> ... then, that's a piece of work that needs to be done
21:20:20 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:20:23 <alejandra> ... identification and links processing
21:20:40 <alejandra> ... I won't have time to do it myself, but I've tried to process the content changes
21:21:05 <alejandra> kcoyle: the profile requirements that came out of Europeana were pasted in the spreadsheet after 6.1
21:21:13 <alejandra> ... row 38
21:21:50 <alejandra> kcoyle: there are additional requirements
21:22:04 <alejandra> roba: I can add those as additional requirements
21:22:12 <alejandra> kcoyle: they won't get separate numbers anyway
21:22:50 <alejandra> spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16JmtNCz_aCWtTCSntriDWLvyPY2x-Y9dZFhAHFl55r0/edit#gid=0
21:23:13 <alejandra> kcoyle: put them in the document so that we don't loose them and we'll concentrate on the profile requirements in the next version
21:23:26 <alejandra> roba: there was a note saying that these could be pulled out as requirements if necessary
21:24:07 <alejandra> kcoyle: mark the section as being under revision
21:24:23 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
21:24:23 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to disccuss if the abstract is too DCATy
21:24:51 <kcoyle> ACTION: roba to add requirements for profiles from spreadsheet to UCR
21:24:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Add requirements for profiles from spreadsheet to ucr [on Rob Atkinson - due 2017-12-05].
21:25:06 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:25:12 <alejandra> +q to say that some of the suggestions I have are related to referring to the charter in more detail
21:25:48 <roba> +1
21:25:55 <alejandra> LarsG: I wanted to talk about the abstract that talks about DCAT vocabulary, application but ignore the other deliverables we have
21:27:15 <kcoyle> ACTION: alejandra to provide info for introduction
21:27:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Provide info for introduction [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2017-12-05].
21:27:27 <kcoyle> q?
21:27:46 <alejandra> q-
21:27:57 <alejandra> riccardoAlbertoni: I am going to support the publication of the draft as it is
21:28:09 <alejandra> ... I have a comment related to the kind of feedback that we want from the readers
21:28:16 <alejandra> ... what kind of comments we expect?
21:28:25 <alejandra> ... we should add some notes at the end of the document
21:28:57 <alejandra> kcoyle: dsr is there a boilerplate text that we could use?
21:29:09 <alejandra> dsr: there is a boilerplate text about what the document is about
21:29:13 <alejandra> ... and its status
21:30:30 <alejandra> This is what the document says:
21:30:31 <kcoyle> q?
21:30:32 <alejandra> "This document was published by the Dataset Exchange Working Group as an Editor's Draft. Comments regarding this document are welcome. Please send them to public-dxwg-comments@w3.org (subscribe, archives)."
21:30:37 <kcoyle> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:30:37 <Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to propose a note in the document making explicit the kind of feedback we want from the readers
21:30:40 <kcoyle> q?
21:30:51 <alejandra> BTW, it seems that there is a need to change to FPWD document
21:30:54 <roba> @alejandra - you may find merging changes difficult after so much moving around - if so sent me sections to insert/update by email.
21:31:01 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I support making our request for comments more complete
21:31:23 <alejandra> ... and how are the comments going to be processed?
21:31:55 <alejandra> kcoyle: in some cases, the editors of the document are tasked with gathering the comments making sure that all of them are answered
21:32:17 <alejandra> ... and bringing the comments to the group so that we can be sure that there are answered correctly (through votes, etc)
21:32:34 <kcoyle> q?
21:32:35 <alejandra> ... we should reply politely to every comment that we received
21:32:38 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:32:44 <roba> Pushed change to profiles definition sub-requirements list :-)
21:32:54 <alejandra> great :-)
21:33:20 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: there are questions on the search working correctly
21:33:30 <alejandra> ... there are some requirements/use cases that are empty
21:33:39 <alejandra> ... there are some lengthy requirements
21:33:54 <alejandra> ... I would provide a more harmonised text
21:34:09 <alejandra> kcoyle: I rather like to have verbs there
21:34:36 <alejandra> kcoyle: these are editorial questions and it is up to you
21:34:49 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we should discuss the IDs of requirements
21:35:05 <alejandra> ... given the changes in the groups
21:35:33 <alejandra> ... do we give them an alphanumeric identifier pointing to the topic?
21:35:48 <alejandra> kcoyle: is the question for this particular draft or for the later ones
21:35:50 <alejandra> ?
21:36:12 <alejandra> ... if you can hold off on that for this draft, it might be better, or make take too much time
21:36:27 <alejandra> kcoyle: when is the last date to get this version done?
21:36:38 <alejandra> dsr: publication auditorium starts 13th Dec
21:36:48 <alejandra> ... so last date to publish this would be 12th Dec
21:37:09 <alejandra> ... thus we have to have it ready before
21:37:13 <alejandra> ... we need to have it approved
21:37:23 <alejandra> ... so we need to have it ready within a few days from today
21:37:41 <alejandra> ... good news: if it is just the first draft, we can publish an updated draft after that
21:37:51 <alejandra> kcoyle: subsequent updates go through very quickly
21:38:09 <alejandra> ... should we say we need everything ready for Monday?
21:38:24 <alejandra> dsr: I will be at a workshop on 6th and 7th
21:38:29 <alejandra> ... Monday should be ok
21:38:43 <alejandra> ... I will give a heads up that we want to do this
21:39:21 <alejandra> kcoyle: whatever it is available on Monday morning 4th Dec will be in the first draft
21:40:09 <alejandra> kcoyle: we have a drafty draft of DCAT (including DCAT 1.0 stuff)
21:40:48 <alejandra> q+
21:41:12 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:43:52 <kcoyle> alejandra: for edits, do pull requests with review
21:43:56 <PWinstanley_> +1 to alejandra on the DCAT group GitHub approach
21:44:37 <alejandra> roba: I did most merges for the UCR group but we interacted with Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:44:51 <AndreaPerego> I think new need to have the comments in the mailing list, since it is persistent, and can be used to track whether we have answered or not. GH issues can be modified - they are not persistent.
21:45:00 <alejandra> alejandra: we agreed on the process using branches on the repository and the github review functionality
21:45:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to AndreaPerego  about the use of mailing list
21:45:19 <alejandra> ... happy to merge other peoples PRs and I will assign others in the DCAT group to merge my changes
21:45:34 <annette_g> I'm interested in working on profiles
21:45:35 <kcoyle> q?
21:45:41 <alejandra> I agree on the comments on the mailing list
21:45:55 <alejandra> this is what the boilerplate text says
21:46:04 <alejandra> kcoyle: document on profile guidelines
21:46:15 <alejandra> ... and content negotiation on profiles is a third deliverable
21:46:25 <antoine> I'm happy to help too
21:46:29 <roba> q+
21:46:55 <alejandra> I'm also interested on profiles
21:47:09 <kcoyle> Guidance on publishing application profiles of vocabularies.
21:47:23 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:47:36 <alejandra> roba: I have two questions: interim set of deliverables was a best guess
21:47:45 <alejandra> ... there are different perspectives
21:48:00 <alejandra> ... guidance on profiles, and other issue is what are profiles
21:48:13 <alejandra> ... DCAT profile should follow, but it does strike me as an additional deliverable
21:48:29 <alejandra> ... general view on profiles, where a DCAT profile guideline would be straightforward to follow
21:48:46 <alejandra> ... I'm interested on the general case
21:49:01 <alejandra> kcoyle: Phil intended to have a general guidance, not just DCAT guidance
21:49:12 <alejandra> ... it should be possible to follow it in creating DCAT profiles
21:49:24 <alejandra> ... I don't think there was a specific document around DCAT profiles
21:49:30 <antoine> q+
21:49:36 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:49:38 <alejandra> q+
21:49:55 <alejandra> antoine: it matches my interest
21:50:01 <LarsG> q+ to say I'm interested
21:50:11 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:50:41 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
21:50:41 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to say I'm interested
21:51:00 <PWinstanley_>  - can I contribute but not as 'editor'?
21:51:03 <alejandra> alejandra: I'm interested in contributing, and DCAT profiles provide lots of use cases
21:51:08 <AndreaPerego> I'm interest as well, but still have to see whether / how much I can contribute.
21:51:08 <alejandra> roba: also interested
21:51:13 <alejandra> LarsG: also interested
21:51:17 <Makx> I am also interested to contribute from experience with DCAT profiles in Europe
21:51:37 <AndreaPerego> s/interest as well/interested as well/
21:51:39 <roba> q+
21:51:45 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:51:47 <Caroline> I think it is important to contribute PWinstanley_, don't need to be an editor :)
21:52:10 <alejandra> roba: I'm not going to offer to coordinate the group
21:52:25 <alejandra> ... I've got time guaranteed until June
21:52:35 <alejandra> ... offer to work on reference implementations but not to coordinate the group
21:53:33 <Makx> Google Hangout?
21:53:44 <alejandra> q+
21:53:53 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:53:58 <AndreaPerego> What's the issue with WebEx?
21:54:43 <alejandra> kcoyle: not sure if we can use WebEx but we can use IRC
21:54:52 <alejandra> dsr: I can set up webex calls for you
21:55:04 <AndreaPerego> For IRC, we just need to create a new channel for each subgroup - as we did in SDWWG.
21:55:44 <kcoyle> q?
21:55:54 <alejandra> q+
21:56:38 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:57:10 <alejandra> alejandra: it could be useful to send a message to the list with the deadline for Monday
21:57:22 <alejandra> kcoyle: I'll do that
21:57:35 <roba> @Jaroslav_Pullmann - i will be travelling from Thursday eve your time
21:58:41 <PWinstanley_> yes, Many thanks to Rob - lots of work went into that UCR
21:58:48 <Caroline> +1
21:58:53 <alejandra> many thanks to the UCR group!
21:58:54 <LarsG> +1
21:58:57 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:58:58 <Makx> +1
21:58:59 <annette_g> thanks all!
21:59:00 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
21:59:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/28-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:59:02 <Caroline> bye!
21:59:05 <alejandra> thanks and bye!
21:59:06 <PWinstanley_> bye!
21:59:07 <kcoyle> bye!
21:59:07 <LarsG> bye all
21:59:07 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:59:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
21:59:45 <AndreaPerego> chair: Karen
22:00:02 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.11.28
22:00:06 <Caroline> rssagent, draft minutes v2
22:00:20 <Caroline> rrsagent, please create the minutes
22:00:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/28-dxwg-minutes.html Caroline
22:00:29 <Caroline> rrsagent, make logs public
22:01:27 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Simon, Ixchel, Linda
22:02:01 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
22:02:10 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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