17:02:45 RRSAgent has joined #dnt 17:02:45 logging to https://www.w3.org/2017/11/20-dnt-irc 17:02:47 RRSAgent, make logs world 17:02:47 Zakim has joined #dnt 17:02:49 Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference 17:02:50 Date: 20 November 2017 17:03:01 present+ wseltzer, moneill2 17:03:10 present+ wseltzer, moneill2 17:04:42 present+ jnovak 17:04:49 yeah, that’s me on the phone 17:04:50 sorry 17:04:53 schunter has joined #dnt 17:05:26 regrets+ Rob, David 17:06:10 present+ Bert, Alan, Brendan, schunter 17:07:33 Is the audio bad? 17:07:43 OK, not just me. 17:08:26 scribenick: Bert 17:08:56 q+ 17:09:09 schunter explains the current status to Wendy. Mike's implementions (client & server), Deutsche Telekom, Privacy Badger, some sites. 17:09:32 Brad has joined #dnt 17:09:43 exit 17:09:46 wseltzer: Main question is if we can get multiple implementations of all features. 17:09:51 its gone very quiet 17:10:07 schunter: Mike has started on a report template. 17:10:13 i dropped out there for a while 17:10:56 moneill2: The Deutsche Telekom used a snapshot of Bouncer and built a new impl on that. 17:11:40 Alan: We're probably not be done before January. We;ll have a meeting on it today, will be able to report on that later. 17:11:55 ... [Privacy Badger] 17:12:09 schunter: Is that the info you needed, Wendy? 17:12:20 wseltzer: and server side? 17:12:49 schunter: The signal is easy to implement. The API is more work. 17:13:04 moneill2: There are several sites, such as the Unilever ones. 17:14:08 schunter: But for the API we don't have a server-side standard. Server's can use any call or none. 17:14:41 wseltzer: So question before the Director is if the implementations with plugins are enough. 17:15:05 ... Plugins demonstrate that the features can be implemented and re interoperable. 17:15:21 ... Other question is if they make the standard usable enough. 17:15:40 ... We asked what it takes to jumpstart the system. 17:15:59 ... That is probably what the Director will want to know. 17:16:14 schunter: That makes sense. 17:16:52 ... It is also a regional thing. So a plugin for European users might be better than global support in all UAs. 17:17:16 wseltzer: The Director clearly cares about Europe, too. :-) 17:17:36 schunter: EU rules are coming later than we expected. 17:18:34 ... I'd prefer to start a new group and start looking at the EPR only after some time, when we get more interest and can get new members. 17:19:01 wseltzer: And thanks to everybody who has participated so far! 17:19:55 schunter: EFF joined this year and Deutsche Telekom. Not many, but not nothing either. 17:20:48 q+ 17:20:54 ... I'd like to have more the next time. 17:21:15 ... A question I have: is there a downside to publishing the current spec as Rec? 17:21:31 ... Risk is that it is not widely deployed. 17:21:41 wseltzer: A Note is another possibility. 17:22:01 ... It can say explicitly that it is waiting for more implem. experience. 17:22:41 ... I can't speak for the Director, but looking at prior cases, such as P3P, which we are obsoleting at the moment, for lack of use... 17:23:04 ... We don't want to give people a false sense of what the Web Platform is. 17:23:14 ... W3C has to match reality. 17:23:33 moneill2: It is a bit of a timing issue w.r.t. the ePR. 17:24:22 ... But going through EU parliament is a way to signal consent. And there is't any other way to do it than how DNT does it. 17:24:50 ... It is not the same as P3P. The kernel of DNT is the way. 17:25:03 ... EU situation will be clearer in a couple of months. 17:25:25 schunter: Chicken & egg. Some say they don't implement until it is a REC. 17:26:26 ... We're working on the REC and then we can have a discussion with the Director if publishing the REC is the best way to get momentum. 17:26:49 wseltzer: Sounds like there are more impls than I was aware of. 17:27:14 ... We can have a discussion with Tim, Ralph, PLH about the plan. 17:27:24 ... See what concerns should be addressed. 17:28:01 Topic: Deutsche Telekom impl. 17:28:18 schunter: I had a call with them. 17:28:44 moneill2: I plan to make an evalutation of features in my impl by next Monday 17:29:07 schunter: Should we ask for a 1-month extension, or just go ahead? 17:29:31 wseltzer: Maybe just go ahead. 17:30:01 schunter: Our mailing list won't stop on Dec 31st, I hope. 17:30:17 Topic: Issue 60 17:30:40 schunter: Issue is about including multiple purposes, in a future release. 17:30:50 ... (Not for current version of spec.) 17:31:08 moneill2: I added a dictionary. 17:31:17 having telephony issues, will be dropping and rejoining in case you hear a blip on the line 17:31:35 ... If you specify a value, it gets added to DNT:0 17:31:50 ... It still leaves room for duture extensions. 17:32:10 ... The user has to be able to find out what the purposes are he agreed to. 17:32:35 ... The DNT header indicates a purpose and that purpose can be looked up. 17:32:50 ... I made a draft as a snaphot of the current draft. 17:33:05 ... So that peopel can read it and see if it makes sense. 17:33:16 schunter: Shall we have a call next week? 17:33:35 ... Only topic seems to be the feature implem report. 17:33:45 moneill2: Let's see what happens on the list. 17:34:02 schunter: Alan, if you need something, contact me. 17:34:20 ... Please, all, continue implementing! 17:34:40 ... So see you probaly in two weeks. 17:34:52 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 17:34:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/20-dnt-minutes.html Bert 17:35:40 zakim, bye 17:35:40 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been wseltzer, moneill2, jnovak, Bert, Alan, Brendan, schunter 17:35:40 Zakim has left #dnt 17:37:14 s/I had a call with them/I had a call with Deutche Telekom about their implementation./ 17:37:35 s/Topic: Deutsche Telekom impl.// 17:38:45 i/schunter explains /Topic: Charter extension, next charter, implementation status/ 17:38:50 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 17:38:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/20-dnt-minutes.html Bert 17:39:24 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/524c68d2-534f-200a-0f9c-ba747ca8e5c3@schunter.org 17:40:04 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-minutes.html 17:40:29 Chair: schunter 17:42:15 s/duture/future/ 17:42:35 s/peopel/people/ 17:42:51 s/probaly/probably/ 17:43:10 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 17:43:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/20-dnt-minutes.html Bert 20:01:47 RRSAgent, bye 20:01:47 I see no action items