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18:03:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
18:03:29 <trackbot> Date: 14 November 2017
18:03:45 <eprodrom> I'm going to wait till 5 after the hour
18:03:54 <rhiaro> present+
18:04:08 <cwebber2> present+
18:04:22 <ajordan> present+
18:04:29 <ajordan> IRC only for 5-10 minutes
18:04:30 <ajordan> sorry (again)
18:04:37 <eprodrom> present+
18:04:42 <eprodrom> scribe please?
18:04:57 <rhiaro> I can scribe
18:05:03 <rhiaro> scribenick: rhiaro
18:07:03 <rhiaro> Zakim, who is here?
18:07:03 <Zakim> Present: tantek, cwebber, npdoty, annbass, hadleybeeman, snarfed, torgo, rhiaro, ajordan, eprodrom
18:07:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, ajordan, JanKusanagi, bengo, cdchapman, rowan, xmpp-social, csarven, dlehn, flackr, KjetilK, hadleybeeman, Zakim, Chocobozzz, Loqi, aaronpk, er1n,
18:07:06 <Zakim> ... cwebber2, adam, dlongley, DenSchub, jungkees, jaywink, raucao, saranix, bwn, erincandescent, jet, rhiaro, ben_thatmustbeme, Gargron, sknebel, melody, mattl, bigbluehat,
18:07:06 <Zakim> ... surinna, bitbear, howl, dwhly, tsyesika, sandro, nightpool, trackbot, puckipedia
18:07:08 <ajordan> dialing in!
18:07:11 <rhiaro> roll up roll up everyone
18:07:15 <aaronpk> present+
18:07:42 <bengo> present+
18:07:45 <cwebber2> bad poetry / oh noetry
18:07:56 <ajordan> cwebber2: oh my god
18:08:08 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Last week's minutes 31st Oct
18:08:31 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: Approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-10-31-minutes as minutes for 31 Oct 2017 telecon
18:08:52 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> +1
18:09:06 <eprodrom> +1
18:09:11 <ajordan> +1
18:09:15 <cwebber2> +1
18:09:24 <aaronpk> +1
18:09:29 <rhiaro> eprodrom: any objections?
18:09:37 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: Approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-10-31-minutes as minutes for 31 Oct 2017 telecon
18:09:40 <sandro> present+
18:10:02 <Loqi> Eprodrom made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2017-11-14]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105207&oldid=0
18:10:02 <Loqi> Rhiaro made 4 edits to [[Socialwg/2017-11-14]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105211&oldid=105207
18:10:25 <rhiaro> eprodrom: Switching the agenda around. Starting with TPAC, then WebSub then AP
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18:10:29 <rhiaro> TOPIC: TPAC update
18:10:36 <rhiaro> ... can Chris and/or sandro tell us what happened?
18:10:41 <rhiaro> sandro: I missed my flight, I wasn't at that part
18:10:53 <rhiaro> cwebber2: It was more of a social CG gathering, but still interesting and relevant
18:11:16 <rhiaro> ... Off the top of my memory, we started off with introducing people and what's happening in this space
18:11:26 <rhiaro> ... including one of the mastodon node hosters was there, toot.cafe
18:11:30 <tantek> regrets+
18:11:31 <rhiaro> ... we demo'd two mastodon sites interoperating
18:11:33 <rhiaro> ... it was adhoc
18:11:38 <rhiaro> ... we then moved to discussing anti abuse tooling
18:11:51 <rhiaro> ... and what we could do to get the ideas effective. a lot about distributed block lists and other things
18:12:05 <rhiaro> ... and then it went into something that's not currently work in the socialcg but a favourite rathole of mine
18:12:14 <rhiaro> ... what would it bel ike ifyou had a federated MUD or other federated game
18:12:18 <rhiaro> ... There may have been other things
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18:12:25 <rhiaro> ... But people were excited about social spaces with rules
18:12:25 <tantek> (we discussed Vouch a bit too as part of anti-abuse)
18:12:33 <rhiaro> ... any questions?
18:12:51 <tantek> SocialCG meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2017-11-06
18:12:52 <Loqi> Social Web Incubator Community Group Meeting at TPAC https://www.w3.org/wiki/images/3/36/2017-11-06-socialcg-f2f.jpg
18:12:54 <rhiaro> eprodrom: was there any discussion by any Members who showed up about either of the specs that we're working on right now?
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18:13:04 <rhiaro> cwebber2: there were some people from the TAG who were interested in this stuff
18:13:12 <rhiaro> ... There were two separate meetings! I'm mixing them up
18:13:40 <rhiaro> ... We had a conversation where the TAG showed up and I'm tryign to remember everything that happened there. We spent more time talking about .. we also had somebody from bridgy (snarfed Ryan Barrett)
18:13:48 <rhiaro> ... that's where most of the conversation about the anti abuse tooling happened
18:13:56 <tantek> eprodrom, there were questions about like should brands/companies just install and launch their own Mastodon instances? and we discussed the Monoculture problem
18:14:08 <rhiaro> ... The TAG didn't know mastodon were using our protocol
18:14:17 <tantek> (like if everyone "just runs Mastodon", then AP becomes the Mastodon API instead of an open standard)
18:14:27 <rhiaro> ... The majority of the conversation was anti abuse tooling
18:14:41 <rhiaro> eprodrom: I'm pretty surprised about that
18:14:50 <rhiaro> ... it doesn't seem like the network is active enough that abuse is a problem
18:14:56 <rhiaro> cwebber2: there's a LOT of active moderation on mastodon
18:14:59 <rhiaro> ... that's one of the biggest topics
18:15:07 <rhiaro> ... a lot of mastodon users are pretty happy is because mastodon builds in a lot of tooling
18:15:16 <ajordan> q+
18:15:35 <rhiaro> ... there has been a culture clash between people from different communities
18:15:38 <ajordan> q-
18:15:51 <rhiaro> ... people are concerned about making sure it keeps working
18:16:13 <rhiaro> eprodrom: Talking about tooling, you mean like spam filters? Or is it more like stuff that's built into particular networks like silencing and so on?
18:16:21 <rhiaro> cwebber2: people are interested in all of that across the board
18:16:38 <rhiaro> ... there's the general feeling that we have to explore a number of different approaches and it's not clear which arethe most accessible or that we might need a combination ot really get the job done
18:16:41 <sandro> q?
18:16:44 <sandro> q+
18:16:50 <rhiaro> ... a lot of people are really interested in federated block lists and a web of trust and distrust
18:16:57 <rhiaro> ... There was one more topic that was pretty big
18:17:06 <cwebber2> https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177#issuecomment-344056590
18:17:08 <Loqi> [nightpool] Me and @Gargron and a couple other developers had a chat on Saturday, and we decided that this is currently the highest priority enhancement for us as a project. We hope to have at least partial fixes for this emerge soon, things that address some of...
18:17:11 <rhiaro> ... and is increasing because it looks like this is going to be the next major topic in mastodon
18:17:17 <rhiaro> ... is account migration
18:17:21 <rhiaro> ... still a big issue that people are really intersted in
18:17:37 <rhiaro> ... how to handle if your server goes down or you want to move for whatever reason
18:17:49 <rhiaro> ... maybe you want to move becus eyou're not happy with the moderation policies, or you're not happy because.. or you want to host your own
18:17:58 <rhiaro> ... These remain the two biggest conversations in the CG
18:18:03 <sandro> q-
18:18:10 <rhiaro> ... interesting also to see that the people who showed up without prior experience also wanted to talk about these issues
18:18:13 <rhiaro> eprodrom: really interesting
18:18:18 <rhiaro> ... definitely interesting questions
18:18:22 <rhiaro> ... migration is a pretty fun one
18:18:33 <rhiaro> ... a lot of stuff that does not necessarily seem to be standards questions
18:19:04 <eprodrom> scribe?
18:19:41 <bengo> I will
18:19:49 <eprodrom> scribenick: bengo
18:20:02 <Loqi> Eprodrom made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2017-11-14]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105214&oldid=105211
18:20:02 <Loqi> Strugee made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-11-14]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105213&oldid=105212
18:20:03 <bengo> eprodrom is there a cg meeting tomorrow?
18:20:06 <bengo> cwebber2 no, next week
18:20:15 <sandro> q+
18:20:21 <bengo> eprodrom there will be some things that are patterns, some are one-off APIs, other things that might be standardized
18:20:24 <eprodrom> ack sandro
18:20:47 <bengo> sandro my perception of mastodon is that the community there polices in a way that there are good people and bad people
18:21:09 <bengo> rhiaro (take scribe back?)
18:21:21 <bengo> sandro I happen to agree with their notion of good peopel and bad people, but not their policing
18:21:41 <bengo> sandro obviously you could have a fork where someone uses a fork and deploy a node cut off from mian network
18:21:46 <rhiaro> scribenick: rhiaro
18:21:53 <rhiaro> eprodrom: it's interesting to see how these patterns work out
18:21:59 <rhiaro> ... I think those are things we can talk about at the CG
18:22:15 <ajordan> eprodrom: wondering if we can do AS2 since I have to leave
18:22:25 <rhiaro> ... tantek, anything about TPAC?
18:22:30 <ajordan> we can postpone too
18:22:44 <ajordan> no no no
18:23:01 <tantek> rhiaro, sounds like cwebber2 covered it :) just dropped in the wiki page for our first SocialCG f2f! https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialCG/2017-11-06
18:23:02 <Loqi> Social Web Incubator Community Group Meeting at TPAC https://www.w3.org/wiki/images/3/36/2017-11-06-socialcg-f2f.jpg
18:23:28 <tantek> and npdoty took decent notes too in IRC https://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2017-11-06#t1510012696205
18:23:29 <Loqi> [tantek] hey hey we're in the SocialCG f2f at TPAC!!!
18:23:42 <rhiaro> TOPIC: WebSub
18:23:45 <rhiaro> eprodrom: sandro, upate?
18:23:59 <rhiaro> sandro: I'm a little confused about process here. There are two comments and I believe they are technically member confidential
18:24:05 <rhiaro> ... I don't know how the group is supposed to respond to that
18:24:33 <rhiaro> ... they both request the change but don't require it
18:24:46 <tantek> sandro, I believe there is only substantive comment (HTTPS must vs should)
18:24:53 <tantek> s/only/only one
18:25:21 <tantek> the other is editorial about the WBS system vs what the spec says
18:25:40 <rhiaro> sandro: one is that HTTPS should be a MUST rather than a SHOULD
18:25:54 <rhiaro> ... our reply to that is that we can't for back compat
18:25:56 <tantek> which we should log in GitHub and discuss
18:26:05 <tantek> yes exactly. agreed with sandro
18:26:10 <rhiaro> eprodrom: have we talked about this before?
18:26:12 <rhiaro> aaronpk: I don't think we have
18:26:14 <tantek> we can even resolve on that if someone can create the issue in GH fast enough :)
18:26:40 <cwebber2> q+
18:27:04 <rhiaro> aaronpk: I agree we don't have to require it because it uses the secret to verify the payload
18:27:22 <rhiaro> ... HTTPS just provides privacy on the transport, which is not a guarantee that we are claiming to make
18:27:38 <rhiaro> ... The spec should be concerned about successfully delivering notifications, which can be verified by HTTPS or the secret
18:27:43 <rhiaro> sandro: but if you don't use https when you send the secret?
18:27:48 <tantek> The compat argument is the strongest one IMO
18:27:55 <rhiaro> aaronpk: the hashing mechanism verifies the payload even over http
18:28:08 <cwebber2> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#obj-id it's a SHOULD in ActivityPub
18:28:44 <rhiaro> cwebber2: it's a SHOULD in AP because it might have some sort of use inside a corporate network with http
18:29:03 <rhiaro> ... 2 is that you may use it with a scheme that's not http at all. At Rebooting WoT something about ids
18:29:21 <rhiaro> ... URIs have schemes beyond http and https. I feel like that's a reasonable justification here
18:29:28 <rhiaro> eprodrom: in AP they act as identifiers so that's fine
18:29:38 <rhiaro> ... in websub we're talking about actual endpoints that are being used for posting and retreiving things
18:29:40 <rhiaro> ... so it's a bit more important
18:30:01 <rhiaro> ... it sounds like the question is is the verifiability of http with extra parameters in websub sufficient that we don't need to make this a MUST
18:30:05 <rhiaro> ... and I think that that's the case
18:30:09 <rhiaro> ... should we open and close an issue?
18:30:12 <rhiaro> aaronpk: I guess so
18:30:18 <rhiaro> eprodrom: Or we can have a resolution right now
18:30:24 <rhiaro> aaronpk: let's resolve it on the call then we can reference a link
18:30:58 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: retain HTTPS as a "should" or "recommended" requirement in WebSub
18:31:00 <cwebber2> +1
18:31:04 <ajordan> +1
18:31:09 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> +1
18:31:10 <ajordan> +0
18:31:12 <eprodrom> +1
18:31:17 <rhiaro> sandro: I don't agree with the security claim but I do agree with the back compat
18:31:24 <rhiaro> aaronpk: you don't agree that the hash is enough to verify the paylaod?
18:31:30 <rhiaro> sandro: on the delivery it is but on the earlier part it isn't
18:31:35 <bengo> +1
18:31:44 <rhiaro> ... We don't say the hub must either do we?
18:31:55 <rhiaro> ... it would be higher priority to make the hub do it
18:32:02 <sandro> +1 for backward compatibility, extensibility
18:32:07 <aaronpk> +1
18:32:08 <rhiaro> eprodrom: basically we say it is strongly recommended
18:32:11 <eprodrom> https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/#security-considerations
18:32:12 <rhiaro> ... to use https for all requests
18:32:20 <eprodrom> "It is strongly recommended to use HTTPS for all requests."
18:32:36 <rhiaro> sandro: the notification endpoint, there's not that much reason but still probably a good idea
18:32:45 <rhiaro> eprodrom: any objections?
18:33:00 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: retain HTTPS as a "should" or "recommended" requirement in WebSub
18:34:25 <rhiaro> sandro: second issue is editorial regarding editors list
18:35:47 <ajordan> ajordan has left #social
18:36:08 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: add invited expert status for author and editors of WebSub
18:36:20 <eprodrom> +1
18:36:20 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> +1
18:36:24 <sandro> +1 as affiliation, in head matter
18:36:31 <aaronpk> +1
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18:36:38 <cwebber2> +1
18:36:54 <ajordan_> +1
18:37:15 <rhiaro> eprodrom: any reservations to that?
18:37:24 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: add invited expert status for author and editors of WebSub
18:37:48 <rhiaro> eprodrom: do we need a proposal to publish?
18:37:52 <rhiaro> sandro: at this point it's up to director not the WG
18:38:03 <rhiaro> ... any other editorial changes?
18:38:06 <tantek> uh, if they're employees of W3C members I'm not sure we can do that
18:38:11 <tantek> like folks that work for Google
18:38:14 <rhiaro> aaronpk: still a couple of open issues which might result in editorial changes
18:38:20 <rhiaro> sandro: we should resolve that we'd like these changes
18:38:25 <rhiaro> ... if we can do that in the next 10 minutes
18:38:26 <tantek> sandro, perhaps ask if they could join the WG?
18:38:30 <aaronpk> tantek, just julien and me
18:38:45 <tantek> ok
18:38:51 <sandro> tantek, as if who could join the WG...??
18:39:02 <tantek> sandro, Brad?
18:39:08 <rhiaro> aaronpk: one review we got I split up into issues and we haven't talked about them yet
18:39:16 <rhiaro> eprodrom: what are our options for incorporating those?
18:39:29 <rhiaro> ... something we need to decide here or should we discuss as we go to PR
18:39:31 <rhiaro> sandro: we're already at PR
18:39:34 <rhiaro> eprodrom: REC
18:39:42 <rhiaro> sandro: we should solve before we ask for transition to REC
18:39:48 <tantek> we have to come up with responses to all the comments on the PR
18:39:54 <rhiaro> eprodrom: so what is outstanding?
18:39:56 <tantek> including the issues that aaronpk split-up from that one mega-issue
18:40:13 <rhiaro> aaronpk: it's a bunch of really small things, should be editorial
18:40:17 <rhiaro> ... but we do need to respond to all of them
18:40:26 <sandro> tantek, feel free, but I'd be surprised if they'd do it, and I don't see why it would matter at this point
18:40:32 <rhiaro> eprodrom: there are 17 items. I'm not sure we have time
18:40:46 <tantek> we need 1) answers to those issues (either by aaronpk, or discussed here), and 2) resolutions from the WG on those answers
18:40:51 <tantek> do we need a telcon next week for this?
18:42:05 <ajordan_> LGTM
18:43:23 <cwebber2> https://w3c.github.io/activitypub/
18:43:34 <cwebber2> https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues
18:43:54 <rhiaro> TOPIC: AP
18:44:05 <rhiaro> cwebber2: there are two open issues, one is a personal TODO so I'll move it out
18:44:18 <rhiaro> ... The implementation reports for mastodon is also not an issue, we're just trying to wrap up their implementation reports
18:44:29 <rhiaro> ... so no open issues left, just two things for the editors' sake that won't affect the spec
18:44:32 <rhiaro> ... hoorraaayyy
18:44:32 <cwebber2> https://activitypub.rocks/implementation-report/
18:44:59 <rhiaro> ... Good news, we have implementation reports page and 5 submissions, and 1 more pending
18:45:08 <cwebber2> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?433151b95b1eea98#lFE+VnEdmlK859Vl9VRonA0s3wtzqCRLL9jLC7xkE88=
18:45:16 <rhiaro> ... things that don't yet have two submissions ^
18:45:19 <rhiaro> ... Most do
18:45:28 <rhiaro> ... 6 client ones
18:45:35 <rhiaro> ... 6 inbox delivery issues
18:45:39 <rhiaro> ... and two security considerations
18:45:48 <rhiaro> ... the bad news is it's today and we still have these
18:45:53 <rhiaro> ... the good news is I think if I took a week we could get them
18:46:07 <bengo> I can probably add some stuff to distbin where it helps get to 2
18:46:23 <rhiaro> <rhiaro> I need to catch up my implementation too :s
18:46:43 <rhiaro> cwebber2: I assume we want to wait til next week to move to PR
18:46:49 <rhiaro> sandro: we can't move forward until we have time
18:46:50 <rhiaro> cwebber2: that's the state of things
18:46:58 <rhiaro> ... bot for WebSub and AP we need a call next week
18:47:01 <rhiaro> s/bot/both
18:47:15 <rhiaro> eprodrom: working backwards, if we approve PR next week will that count?
18:47:59 <rhiaro> sandro: technically we only have to go to PR by the end of the WG. It looks bad, but we can technically do it
18:48:15 <rhiaro> ... to actually go to REC by the end of the WG maybe next week we can still do it
18:48:28 <rhiaro> ... let's try for next week, but it's not the end of the world if we can't
18:48:34 <rhiaro> cwebber2: I'm in favour of everything ready for PR next week
18:48:39 <rhiaro> ... I'm very confident that will happen
18:49:07 <rhiaro> eprdrom: will get mine in
18:49:13 <rhiaro> eprodrom: will get mine in
18:49:15 <bengo> evan can make activitypubcoin
18:49:16 <rhiaro> ... Seems like we're moving along
18:49:17 <ajordan_> if I go *really* hard I might be able to land AP in pump.io master
18:49:37 <ajordan_> don't want to commit though because I have some papers due lol
18:49:39 <rhiaro> eprodrom: it doesn' thave to go to master AJ, just has to exist
18:49:40 <ajordan_> 👍
18:49:43 <rhiaro> ... Anything else about AP?
18:49:46 <rhiaro> cwebber2: not as far as I know
18:49:48 <bengo> Ooh!
18:49:48 <tantek> present+
18:49:49 <bengo> I have a thing
18:49:51 <rhiaro> eprodrom: any other business?
18:49:55 <bengo> I bought activitypub.com
18:49:56 <bengo> where should I redirect it?
18:50:02 <Loqi> Eprodrom made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2017-11-14]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105215&oldid=105214
18:50:02 <ajordan_> q+
18:50:08 <bengo> activitypub.rocks?
18:50:10 <bengo> or spec?
18:50:12 <sandro> ajordan_, it sounds like you don't need to do that for next week, but instead plan to have that for the REC announcement
18:50:20 <cwebber2> bengo: I guess activitypub.rocks would be good!
18:50:24 <rhiaro> cwebber2: why didn't i buy that...??
18:50:26 <bengo> I will
18:50:28 <bengo> but for now...
18:50:29 <rhiaro> eprodrom: hold onto it and sell it when AP is huge
18:50:29 <ajordan_> sandro: noted, that's nice to know
18:50:29 <cwebber2> bengo: thank youuu
18:50:30 <bengo> activitypub.rocks
18:50:31 <eprodrom> ack cwebber
18:50:32 <bengo> will do this week
18:50:46 <tantek> q?
18:50:53 <eprodrom> ack ajordan_
18:50:58 <rhiaro> eprodrom: it looks like we have 10 minutes so ajordan_ are you here?
18:51:13 <rhiaro> ajordan: was something else
18:51:16 <tantek> q+ to note concern about outstanding issues on WebSub
18:51:41 <rhiaro> ... I'm almost done weith a webmention implementation and websub shouldn't be too far off
18:51:49 <rhiaro> ... something automatically do the right thing.
18:51:59 <rhiaro> ... AS2 is really close to shipping in pump.io
18:52:05 <rhiaro> ... There's one issue on the agenda
18:52:08 <rhiaro> ... and AP isn't far behind that
18:52:31 <eprodrom> ack tantek
18:52:31 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to note concern about outstanding issues on WebSub
18:52:42 <rhiaro> TOPIC: AOB
18:52:51 <rhiaro> tantek: we have quite a few number as the result of comments on websub
18:53:16 <rhiaro> ... I think we need to promptly have answeres to those that the group resolves on, either resulting in no changes or editorial changes, assuming there isn't an actual implementation problem
18:53:20 <rhiaro> ... I feel a sense of urgency on that
18:53:42 <rhiaro> eprodrom: we agreed earlier that aaron and julien are going to look through these, identify ones that don't require WG input and then we will next tuesday have another meeting where we'll vote on the rest of them
18:53:58 <rhiaro> sandro: can we plan for next week being 90 mins?
18:54:00 <rhiaro> tantek: I agree
18:54:01 <cwebber2> +1 to a long meeting next week
18:54:27 <ajordan_> I can't do longer than 60 minutes as usual but by all means go for it
18:54:46 <rhiaro> tantek: Second thing.. because we're trying to wrap up our normative documents and there's a lot of activity going on, and stuff beyond in the CG
18:54:55 <rhiaro> ... there are a lot of implementations that interoperate in ways that we ight not have fully covered
18:55:21 <rhiaro> ... I think there's opportunity here if interest to close out the year with a few informative notes that are kind of capturing the state of interop of extensions or additons to existing specs
18:55:25 <rhiaro> ... just want to put it out as something to think about
18:55:32 <rhiaro> ... Thinking about treating PTD that way because it's evolving
18:56:15 <cwebber2> scribenick: cwebber2
18:56:37 <cwebber2> eprodrom: one thing the CG is discussing is what's missing, maybe we can talk about what can be done there and move to a note, or move that work to the CG
18:56:46 <ajordan_> there's already a wiki page
18:56:48 <cwebber2> tantek: I'd love to have the CG have a note about what topics are worth exploring
18:57:08 <cwebber2> eprodrom: ok great, I want to move to ajordan_'s topic of discussion... if you want to bring it up now before 2:00?
18:57:12 <cwebber2> ajordan_: I'll bring it up to the CG tomorrow
18:57:36 <cwebber2> ajordan_: AS2 doc says how to transform AS1 -> AS2 but says nothing about the vocabulary
18:57:37 <tantek> in particular I'd like to see us publish a number of "interop NOTEs" where we document uses of our specs with 3+ more interop impls
18:57:56 <cwebber2> ajordan_: pump.io has to transform as1 to as2 as last step of response handler, but some of them have no equivalent in as2
18:57:58 <cwebber2> q+
18:58:13 <cwebber2> q-
18:58:32 <cwebber2> eprodrom: my first response is if we need to do that we'll do an extension vocabulary... I'm pretty suprised we have stuff in pump.io that didn't make it into as2 but sometimes that happens
18:58:46 <cwebber2> ajordan_: I have no data on what verbs people are actually using, so I don't know if there's data out there for it
18:58:59 <cwebber2> ajordan_: my assumpiton is a lot of verbs were dropped due to low evidence of implementation
18:59:14 <cwebber2> eprodrom: why don't you and I talk about this, if parts of pump.io don't have a match we'll do an extension vocab
18:59:27 <cwebber2> ajordan_: I was just consulting as1 stats
18:59:46 <cwebber2> sandro: I encourage you put them in the as2 namespace, that's what the CG is meant to do
18:59:53 <cwebber2> eprodrom: I don't think there's time for next week
18:59:58 <cwebber2> sandro: I don't think there's time pressure
19:00:08 <cwebber2> eprodrom: you had asked me about this earlier ajordan_, we'll deal with it soon
19:00:15 <cwebber2> eprodrom: any other business?
19:00:49 <cwebber2> eprodrom: no CG meeting tomorrow so we'll deal with this 1 on 1 ajordan_
19:01:02 <cwebber2> eprodrom: we have a meeting same time same place but longer next week
19:01:07 <cwebber2> eprodrom: tantek, can you chair?
19:01:11 <cwebber2> tantek: ACK, can chair
19:01:13 <ajordan_> s/as1 stats/thee as1 spec/
19:01:15 <cwebber2> eprodrom: thanks everyone!
19:01:44 <ajordan_> thanks all! hope the noisy hallway wasn't too bad lol
19:03:06 <eprodrom> ha
19:03:11 <eprodrom> OK, thanks everyone
19:03:22 <cwebber2> trackbot, end meeting
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19:03:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tantek, cwebber, npdoty, annbass, hadleybeeman, snarfed, torgo, rhiaro, ajordan, eprodrom, aaronpk, bengo, sandro
19:03:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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