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22:09:37 <sangwhan> Chair: Natasha
22:09:42 <sangwhan> Scribe: sangwhan
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22:10:20 <sangwhan> natasha: Dan, will present slides about the TAG
22:10:41 <sangwhan> dka: I gave slides during the AC meeting yesterday, you can look at those slides directly
22:11:04 <sangwhan> ...just to re-iterate, the tag is chartered to deal with general architecture of the web
22:11:09 <sangwhan> (reading straight off of slides)
22:11:18 <sangwhan> ... more elected than appointed
22:11:27 <sangwhan> ... reflects the makeup of w3c's technical community
22:11:38 <sangwhan> ... everyone in this room knows what we've been doing
22:11:47 <sangwhan> ... majority of our time is doing technical reviews
22:11:52 <sangwhan> ... which is done via GH
22:12:01 <sangwhan> ... we have been getting lots of positive feedback
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22:12:13 <sangwhan> ... in some cases we are just another pair of eyes
22:12:14 <bkardell_> present+
22:12:50 <sangwhan> ... looking at stuff outside of the w3c
22:12:59 <sangwhan> ... and being a liaison etc
22:13:28 <sangwhan> hadleybeeman: the tag is a small group of people looking at a big chunk of the web
22:13:50 <sangwhan> ... but to have a better perspective we need more diversity
22:14:14 <sangwhan> tantek: what does it take to be on the tag?
22:14:23 <sangwhan> natasha: first, can you give me a overview of the ab?
22:14:36 <sangwhan> tantek: i am a elected member of the ab
22:14:49 <sangwhan> ... anything that has to do with ip, licensing, other topics
22:14:57 <sangwhan> ... e.g. how do we run w3c as a community
22:15:05 <sangwhan> ... sometimes deal with funding issues
22:15:18 <sangwhan> cwilso: in particular the ab is the owners of the process document
22:15:28 <sangwhan> ... in practice it is lead by a cg
22:15:46 <sangwhan> tantek: a lot of w3c is a bit secretive
22:16:01 <sangwhan> ... quite a bit of the resources are member only
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22:16:13 <sangwhan> ... we have been trying to make the work a bit more transparent
22:16:25 <sangwhan> hadleybeeman: tag does most of the work in the open
22:16:54 <sangwhan> cwilso: we try to be open, but some bits can't be open
22:16:59 <sangwhan> .. e.g. ip issues
22:17:26 <sangwhan> natasha: let's discuss the logistics
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22:17:42 <sangwhan> ... in the ab everyone is elected aside from jeff
22:18:02 <sangwhan> bkardell_: you don't have to be a member to be a member
22:18:06 <tantek> present+
22:18:15 <sangwhan> dbaron: you need a member to nominate you though
22:18:26 <dbaron> s/member/member of the W3C/
22:18:40 <sangwhan> natasha: there are members of the tag who are appointed
22:18:49 <sangwhan> plinss: 3 seats are appointed
22:19:16 <natasha> q?
22:19:19 <sangwhan> natasha: jeff is the chair of the ab, and tim is the chair of the tag, but there are two chairs for the tag
22:19:40 <tantek> Natasha said Jeff's name and here he is!
22:19:46 <sangwhan> dka: tim is active within the tag, but the defacto chairs are peter and me
22:19:50 <tantek> present+ jeff
22:20:36 <sangwhan> tantek: small correction about appointing the chair, ab chair is appointed by the ceo, appointed himself
22:20:54 <sangwhan> bkardell_: maybe we should bring up affiliation changes
22:21:12 <sangwhan> natasha: there can't be two people from the same organization on both the ab and tag
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22:21:50 <sangwhan> michael: if the affiliation changes, it is possible to continue until your term is over
22:22:19 <sangwhan> cwilso: however the chair can chose to eject a member given a potential conflict of interest
22:22:49 <sangwhan> dbaron: the tag rules have been softened up a bit
22:23:23 <dbaron> This is described in https://w3c.github.io/w3process/#AB
22:24:00 <sangwhan> natasha: some people in the tag have a particular expertise
22:24:25 <tantek> present+ aboxhall
22:24:26 <tantek> present+ michaelchampion
22:24:34 <tantek> present+ natasha
22:24:39 <tantek> present+ sangwhan
22:24:46 <sangwhan> dka: security is one of the fields of expertise
22:24:47 <tantek> present+ torgo
22:24:50 <sangwhan> ... yan is one example
22:24:56 <tantek> present+ hadleybeeman
22:25:03 <sangwhan> ... sometimes it is goo to have broad exposure
22:25:04 <tantek> present+ dbaron
22:25:08 <tantek> present+ cwilso
22:25:13 <tantek> present+ plinss
22:25:15 <jeff> q+ to talk about hats
22:25:20 <sangwhan> ... e.g. chairs of WGs, or people who have knowledge in a wide range of topics
22:25:24 <sangwhan> ... but good to have a mix
22:26:00 <sangwhan> ... when I joined the TAG, I recall having a discussion about qualifications
22:26:13 <sangwhan> ... but there are not a set of hard qualifications
22:26:50 <tantek> q?
22:26:54 <tantek> q+
22:27:09 <sangwhan> natasha: no need to be uncomfortable because you lack expertise in a particular field
22:27:09 <tantek> q+ to follow-up to torgo then what motivated you to run for the tag
22:27:42 <sangwhan> ... we need to diversify our higher level groups
22:27:54 <sangwhan> ... understanding the languages around the world, how the web is used around the world
22:27:58 <sangwhan> ... the commitment is one issue
22:28:13 <natasha> ack jeff
22:28:13 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to talk about hats
22:28:33 <sangwhan> jeff: dan was talking about computer science phds
22:28:51 <sangwhan> (was a weird joke, skipping minutes on that)
22:29:16 <sangwhan> ... when i discuss with the ac they expect us to be bringing the web to it's full potential
22:29:25 <hadleybeeman> q+ to ask jeff a question about setting the direction for the AC
22:29:29 <sangwhan> ... what is nice about the ab, they take off their corporate hats
22:29:34 <sangwhan> ... and operate as individuals
22:29:44 <sangwhan> ... and not represent their employers
22:29:52 <sangwhan> ... same goes for tag
22:30:23 <sangwhan> ... diversity is important because we need a bunch of different perspectives
22:30:31 <hadleybeeman> ack t
22:30:31 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to follow-up to torgo then what motivated you to run for the tag
22:30:50 <sangwhan> tantek: asking dka why he ran for the tag
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22:31:06 <sangwhan> dka: (is thinking)
22:31:13 <sangwhan> ... think it is about making a difference
22:31:16 <mdadas> present+ mdadas
22:31:37 <sangwhan> ... the primary goal is to be a steward for the web, on behalf of the webdev community
22:31:59 <sangwhan> ... and i saw the tag as a place to do a leadership role of this
22:32:11 <tantek> present+ dka
22:33:02 <natasha> q?
22:33:08 <natasha> ack hadleybeeman
22:33:08 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask jeff a question about setting the direction for the AC
22:33:19 <sangwhan> hadleybeeman: yesterday ralph presented work on i18n
22:33:35 <sangwhan> ... is that a strategic decision
22:33:39 <sangwhan> ... how was that made?
22:34:16 <sangwhan> jeff: in this case i didn't need the ab's input on this
22:34:28 <sangwhan> ... i was asked by many members to look into this
22:34:38 <sangwhan> ... so we setup a tf to look into this
22:35:40 <natasha> sangwhan: I represent the hardware api, device api community
22:37:03 <hadleybeeman> sangwhan: The TAG meets four times a year, which is a lot of travel
22:37:11 <natasha> ... travel 4 times a year, work depends on what spec you're looking at
22:37:34 <natasha> ... 1 full day of work a week
22:37:45 <tantek> q+ to ask wait does every TAG member go to all 4 meetings a year? or is there an acceptable level of # of f2f meetings to participate in?
22:38:21 <hadleybeeman> natasha: the AB also meets face-to-face four times a year. We each take on projects as well
22:38:36 <hadleybeeman> ...I do them in the evenings.
22:38:55 <hadleybeeman> ...David Singer probably does more because he looks after the Process CG as well, so his will be closer to 2 days/week
22:39:22 <natasha> mike: we're working on the process document right now, so work is going into that
22:40:02 <natasha> ... other things involve working with w3c management on coaching, or other relevant topics
22:40:07 <jeff> q+ to comment on AB generically
22:40:50 <tantek> I'll note that the AB priorities (that cwilso mentioned) are on our public wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB
22:40:52 <bkardell_> q+
22:40:55 <tantek> ack tantek
22:40:55 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to ask wait does every TAG member go to all 4 meetings a year? or is there an acceptable level of # of f2f meetings to participate in?
22:41:15 <natasha> cwilso: we choose priorities, and work on these
22:41:34 <natasha> tantek: some TAG and AB members sometimes do 3/4 meetings a year
22:42:18 <natasha> q?
22:43:00 <natasha> dka: another motiavator is a career motivator
22:43:44 <dbaron> ack jeff
22:43:44 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to comment on AB generically
22:44:22 <sangwhan> q?
22:45:00 <natasha> jeff: w3c is and sdo, also a community where people come together, team turns to the AB as to how people communicate across boundaries and how we help that
22:47:15 <natasha> natasha: dka, how did you get your boss to agree to working on TAG?
22:47:32 <natasha> dka: helps to have an understanding boss!
22:48:26 <natasha> ... also the amount you get out of it, knowledge, information
22:50:28 <natasha> ack bkardell_
22:51:30 <jeff> q+
22:52:42 <tantek> present+ barryleiba
22:53:13 <natasha> bkardell_: nomination requires an AC member to nominate, we need to find people and then convince them to run. They also need to be able to fund or get funding. Can we do something about this?
22:53:24 <natasha> natasha: yes, we should discuss this in AB
22:53:37 <tantek> q?
22:53:44 <tantek> q+ michaelchampion
22:53:50 <tantek> ack jeff
22:54:00 <natasha> barryleiba: ADs in IETF take so much time, almost 100% for some people
22:54:59 <natasha> jeff: we need to do some more work to get people involved
22:55:59 <natasha> barryleiba: you need enough people, and good ones also.
22:56:02 <tantek> q?
22:56:27 <tantek> ack michaelchampion
22:57:24 <tantek> q+ to answer bkardell_ remark about people from same org
22:58:27 <natasha> mike: tag used email, people could see this, what do you use now?
22:58:28 <natasha> dka: all our work now on github, people can watch this
22:58:52 <cwilso> zakim, close the queue
22:58:52 <Zakim> ok, cwilso, the speaker queue is closed
22:58:59 <cwilso> ack t
22:58:59 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to answer bkardell_ remark about people from same org
22:59:22 <natasha> tantek: terms limits, we could make sure people do turn over, even within the same org
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23:01:18 <hadleybeeman> travisleithead: mentoring opportunity
23:01:21 <tantek> thank you natasha !
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