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21:07:48 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.11.07
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21:09:19 <kcoyle> last week's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/10/31-dxwg-minutes
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21:11:35 <kcoyle> i've lost audio also
21:12:01 <kcoyle> could someone unmute and try speaking?
21:12:05 <Ixchel> I never had audio.  I haven't heard anyone speak since I joined.
21:12:15 <Ixchel> I just heard someone.
21:12:25 <kcoyle> Peter are you speaking? we don't hear anything
21:12:27 <Ixchel> I hear two talking now.
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21:13:24 <kcoyle> not for me yet ...
21:14:09 <annette_g> ah
21:14:31 <annette_g> s/ah//me ah
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21:19:02 <roba> scribenick roba
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21:19:39 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/10/31-dxwg-minutes
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21:20:14 <alejandra> q+
21:20:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni
21:20:41 <alejandra> q-
21:20:51 <roba> +1
21:21:04 <AndreaPerego> +0 - I was not there
21:21:13 <annette_g> +1
21:21:23 <alejandra> +0 was not present
21:21:27 <kcoyle> ACTION: dsr to add Alejandra to regrets on https://www.w3.org/2017/10/31-dxwg-minutes
21:21:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Add alejandra to regrets on https://www.w3.org/2017/10/31-dxwg-minutes [on Dave Raggett - due 2017-11-14].
21:22:01 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve minutes of Oct 31
21:22:32 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.11.07
21:23:24 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
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21:26:04 <roba> kcoyle: no way everyone can be present for all items that may interest them
21:26:15 <alejandra> maybe this one: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:F2F2017.11.09
21:26:21 <roba> ...@ F2F
21:26:28 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:F2F2017.11.09B
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21:27:34 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:27:42 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:28:19 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: will be present for version - but have a use case on publication late friday - cant be present
21:28:23 <alejandra> how many people are going to be there in person?
21:29:56 <AndreaPerego> I have a use case on identifiers...
21:29:58 <PWinstanley> q+
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21:30:18 <roba> kcoyle: idnetifers moved to afternoon, publication & distribution earlier
21:31:29 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:31:54 <Caroline> Present+
21:32:12 <roba> ...look at requirement groups, pass off to interested parties. noting 1 hour telecons spent on single requirements not going to get us over the line
21:32:26 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
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21:33:41 <roba> PWinstanley: people like me are under -representing - weighted to academic and publishing communities. Gentle reminder that there is a bigger world out there interested in identifiers
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21:34:41 <roba> ... government, logistics, distribution etc. Context independence needed - i.e. ISBN is a domain rabbit-hole
21:34:47 <roba> +1
21:34:50 <annette_g> +1
21:34:51 <kcoyle> q?
21:35:43 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: are we aiming for Dec publishing deadline
21:36:18 <roba> kcoyle: hope to have draft by Dec deadline (early in Dec) - aim for F2F to achieve this
21:36:38 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: what are the tasks needed to achieve this
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21:37:14 <roba> kcoyle: requirement is document group can sign off on
21:38:10 <roba> ...first drafts may still need editorial, formatting
21:38:26 <roba> dsr: can help
21:39:10 <Caroline> q?
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21:39:18 <alejandra> q+
21:39:37 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:39:56 <roba> alejandra: will running minutes be produced?
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21:40:22 <roba> dsr: just use RSSAgent to do this automatically. link in irc
21:40:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:41:01 <roba> kcoyle: action to trigger minutes frequently
21:41:30 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/General_versioning_considerations
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21:42:01 <roba> q+
21:42:15 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1csCcOEWF4Rh-ghIjxaqKQ4qryfjiQlIpvV6_aFDJn5k/edit#gid=113335154
21:42:21 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:42:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:43:33 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:43:35 <roba> roba: I like the single-mechanism, multiple targets perspective here...
21:44:29 <alejandra> q+
21:44:34 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the subject is still to be nailed down - aiming at ontologies not individual terms.
21:44:47 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:44:48 <DaveBrowning_> +1 to Roba’s comment
21:44:59 <roba> ...Profiles are versioned externally, but negotiation may need to ref a specific versions
21:45:35 <roba> alejandra: agree profiles for versions needed, but UC do not specifically reference this
21:45:48 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:46:09 <roba> q+
21:46:30 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:47:11 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: should be considered because of "symmetry". This is partially a gap analysis of UC.
21:47:26 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:47:51 <kcoyle> roba: as I pulled out requirements I was reading between the lines and thinking of symmetry
21:48:16 <kcoyle> ... so I made those connections as implicit requirements
21:48:17 <alejandra> q+
21:48:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to use "symmetry" and reading between the lines
21:48:48 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:49:55 <roba> roba: when editing, there were general requirements when talking about artefacts, so when a new artefact identified, then applies same logic to these implicitly
21:50:11 <annette_g> q+
21:50:29 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
21:50:49 <annette_g> I think we need to make versioning work for any kind of document
21:50:59 <kcoyle> +1
21:51:01 <annette_g> and we can't list every possible type in our use cases
21:51:17 <roba> +1 to both points
21:51:30 <annette_g> so how can we expect to find a use case for any arbitrary type of doc like a profile
21:52:09 <roba> kcoyle: important to be "correct" - even if we find something not explicitly covered in the UC
21:52:11 <Makx> q+
21:52:12 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> the types of "subjects"  are quite at a meta-level, all of them ar documents at different layers
21:52:13 <AndreaPerego> I tend to agree, but we need to consider that different types of documents/resources may have different versioning requirements
21:52:28 <alejandra> I agree with Rob that we can read between the lines and determine what entities require versioning, even if not explicit in the use cases, and the spreadsheet exercise meant to try to go back to the UCs in conjunction with the Requirements to see if there was something explicit about versioning for other entities, apart from datasets
21:52:28 <roba> ...make sure requirements are general
21:52:31 <annette_g> +1 to Andrea
21:52:35 <Makx> q+
21:52:42 <alejandra> +1 to Andrea
21:53:42 <roba> maxk: we have UC for DCat instances
21:54:19 <roba> ...me may need UC for vocabularies and profiles as documents
21:54:53 <roba> ...what do relationships mean between artefacts - datasets may have different needs.
21:54:54 <roba> q+
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21:55:14 <roba> s/maxk/Makx/
21:55:52 <roba> kcoyle: where they are the same use the same mechanism..
21:56:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to kcoyle "where they are the same we want to use the same"
21:58:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q-
21:58:34 <roba> roba: remembering the suggestion re version operations (equal, next, later etc). Explicitly called out in requirement.
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21:59:29 <roba> kcoyle: warning: no coffee!!!
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22:00:20 <roba> ..speakerphone on WebEx and IRC
22:00:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye thanks
22:00:46 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
22:00:46 <PWinstanley> bye!!
22:00:48 <alejandra> thanks! bye
22:00:50 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bey!
22:00:50 <annette_g> bye!
22:00:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
22:00:58 <Caroline> bye!
22:01:26 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
22:01:35 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Antoine
22:01:39 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:02:06 <AndreaPerego> chair: Karen
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