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12:48:51 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:48:51 <trackbot> Date: 25 October 2017
12:48:56 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0017
12:49:05 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0017
12:49:22 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:49:22 <Steven> Regrets: Philip
12:51:27 <Steven> Previous Minutes:
12:51:27 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2017/10/18-forms-minutes.html
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13:01:40 <Steven> Topic: DST Changes
13:01:40 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0016
13:01:59 <Steven> Steven: Reminder, next week the call will be one hour earlier in Europe
13:02:10 <Steven> Topic: Creating instance data from external resources
13:02:10 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0013
13:03:08 <Steven> Steven: THis comes from a fight I've been having this week with a website that is serving some XML documents as text/html
13:03:22 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
13:04:00 <Steven> Steven: What do we think is the best way of giving the user more control?
13:04:18 <Steven> Erik: We had a similar thing with another pipeline language
13:04:33 <Steven> ... in that case we had a way of forcing the mediatype
13:04:42 <Steven> ... otherwise content sniffing...
13:05:12 <Steven> ... there are some different scenarios
13:05:20 <Steven> ... sometimes you don't know what is coming
13:05:28 <Steven> ... often you do know
13:05:56 <Steven> ... and this cases it can make sense to require it to be processed as a certain type.
13:06:35 <Steven> ... that is option 2 in your email
13:07:00 <Steven> Steven: I think too that that is the better, cleaner option
13:07:12 <Steven> Erik: Then we need to decided on a name for the attribute
13:07:45 <Steven> Steven: Is there precedent in any XML related markup for the name of such an attribute?
13:08:20 <Steven> ... If XSLT has similar, it would be good to use that before inventing something ourselves
13:08:29 <Steven> Erik: Good point [looks at XSLT]
13:09:05 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to research if anything else has such an attribute and to suggest a name
13:09:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2142 - Research if anything else has such an attribute and to suggest a name [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-11-01].
13:09:32 <Steven> Alain: I agree that method 2 is the better choice.
13:09:37 <ebruchez> https://doc.orbeon.com/xml-platform/processors/url-generator.html#xml-mode
13:10:13 <Steven> Erik: We had a 'mode' for something that was reading, and had an XML, HTML, JSON mode etc. to force the mode.
13:10:30 <Steven> ... but XForms alsready has @mode...
13:10:35 <Steven> Steven: I'll research
13:10:48 <Steven> ACTION-2140 - Check google library for support of extension numbers in
13:10:48 <Steven> telephone numbers
13:10:48 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-forms-minutes.html#action01
13:11:05 <Steven> Erik: In process
13:11:18 <Steven> ACTION-2140 - Check google library for support of extension numbers in
13:11:18 <Steven> telephone numbers
13:11:18 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-forms-minutes.html#action01
13:11:22 <Steven> Erik: Pending
13:11:33 <Steven> Topic: Alert MIP Proposal
13:11:33 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0001
13:11:51 <Steven> Steven: Quite a big change, but you think it's worth doing?
13:11:57 <Steven> Erik: Nothing against it...
13:12:18 <Steven> ... in our form builder, we have the ability to specifiy multiple validation alerts for a control
13:12:29 <Steven> ... for each you can specify custom alert messages
13:12:47 <Steven> ... we put the constraints in the model
13:13:15 <Steven> ... with different elements
13:13:28 <Steven> ... with ids.
13:13:41 <Steven> ... So these things are linked with IDs
13:14:06 <Steven> ... If we adopted this proposal we wouldn;t have to explicitely do the linking
13:14:28 <Steven> s/;/'/
13:15:07 <Steven> Alain: I prefer things in the model, so it sounds better this way
13:15:17 <Steven> Steven: Shall I spec it up?
13:15:37 <Steven> Erik: In the view we have the ability to put the UI content as well.
13:16:59 <Steven> ... I don't want to remove labels from the view
13:17:28 <Steven> Steven: Agree, I think I included an example of overriding the label in the view
13:18:13 <ebruchez> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0014.html
13:19:28 <Steven> Erik: My question is only if we are happy with including host langauge elements in the model as well. I don;t think we did that before.
13:19:52 <Steven> Erik: I don't see a problem, but it is something to think about.
13:20:13 <Steven> Steven: OK with me trying to spec it up.
13:20:17 <Steven> Erik: Fine
13:20:31 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to spec up adding Help Hint Alert and Label to the model
13:20:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2143 - Spec up adding help hint alert and label to the model [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-11-01].
13:20:50 <Steven> Topic: Test suite
13:20:50 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Oct/0007
13:21:07 <Steven> Steven: In progress
13:21:13 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:21:22 <Steven> [None]
13:21:25 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
13:21:49 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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