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15:42:36 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
15:42:36 <ivan> Chair: rick
15:42:36 <ivan> Date: 2017-10-24
15:42:36 <ivan> Regrets+ pbelfanti, virginie
15:42:36 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2017Oct/0005.html
15:42:37 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2017-09-24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2017Oct/0005.html
15:48:16 <wolfgang> unfortunately, didn't get the link yet and the password I know doesn't work either.
15:48:38 <wolfgang> could you send a mail to @pons.de?
15:49:00 <wolfgang> Sorry for keeping you occupied ;)
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15:54:32 <wolfgang> the meeting number on webex is rejected
15:54:48 <wolfgang> this applies to both links
15:54:53 <ivan> w.t.f.
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15:55:15 <ivan> I am on the call right now (albeit alone...)
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15:59:18 <Julian_Calderazi> Hello everybody.
15:59:32 <wolfgang> present+ wolfgang
15:59:44 <wolfgang> hi, julian!
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16:01:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> Aargh. I clicked on the Webex link and it says "Meeting Cancelled.
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16:02:02 <Dan_Sanicola> Liisa and I are having the same issue as Bill
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16:04:33 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'm in now
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16:04:48 <Karen> present+ Karen
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16:05:21 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
16:05:51 <RickJ> present+ RickJ
16:05:57 <Karen> scribe: Karen
16:06:09 <Karen> Rick: Two items on the agenda today
16:06:17 <MURATA> Could somebody send me a webex password to eb2mmrt@gmail.com?
16:06:17 <Karen> ...first is any questions around TPAC and surrounding meetings
16:06:25 <Karen> ...second is to go over Google doc shared around the task forces
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16:06:30 <Karen> ...We have a question from Murata
16:06:34 <Karen> Ivan: I will do that
16:06:38 <Karen> Rick: thank you
16:06:43 <Karen> ...Bill M, I had nominated you
16:06:52 <rkwright> present+
16:06:53 <Karen> ...to go through any open communications about TPAC
16:07:01 <Brian> present+
16:07:04 <Karen> BillM: there are three different things going on there
16:07:10 <Karen> ...the Publishing WG meetings M/Tues
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16:07:18 <Karen> ...Publishing Summit Thursday/Friday
16:07:23 <Karen> ...and Publishing BG Friday afternoon
16:07:26 <laurentlemeur> present +
16:07:31 <Karen> ...BG agenda is for this group
16:07:32 <mateus> present+
16:07:39 <Karen> ...My main focus has been on the Publishing Summit
16:07:46 <Karen> ...If you have not yet registered, please do so
16:08:01 <Karen> ...Will be great event around intersection of Web platform and publishing as a buiness
16:08:05 <laurentlemeur> Hi Ivan, could you please send me the password also, at laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org?
16:08:06 <Karen> ...also a solutions showcase with demos
16:08:10 <Karen> ...receptions, AC meetings
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16:08:16 <ivan> Regrets+ Michaela
16:08:23 <Karen> ...TPI members who are former IDFP members are entitled to attend the AC Rep meetings
16:08:24 <garth> Present+ Garth
16:08:35 <Karen> ...while the TPI members don't have full AC Rep voting rights, they do have participation rights
16:08:39 <Karen> ...that is all I had
16:08:40 <wolfgang> s/buiness/business/
16:08:48 <Karen> ...or if anyone else wants to join in
16:08:51 <ivan> present+ garth
16:09:00 <Karen> ...And also there will be late night games of Werewolf
16:09:22 <Karen> Rich: Wanted to make sure everyone had an opportunity to ask any questions about what Bill just went through?
16:09:27 <ivan> q+
16:09:27 <RickJ> q?
16:09:31 <Karen> ack Ivan
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16:09:36 <Jens_Bookwire_> When will the PBG meeting end on Friday?
16:09:39 <Karen> Ivan: I did get a question from the person from a writer
16:09:45 <Karen> ...who plans to come to the F2F meeting at TPAC
16:09:50 <laudrain> Exact time of PBG group on Friday afternoon?
16:09:53 <Karen> ...he was asking if there is or will be an agenda
16:09:54 <BillM> present+ BillM
16:10:01 <Karen> Rick: for the Business Group meeting?
16:10:02 <Karen> Ivan: yes
16:10:09 <Karen> Rick: At this time there are two things on the agenda
16:10:20 <Karen> ...first is continuation of discussion we are having today on task forces
16:10:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:10:25 <BillM> q+
16:10:33 <Karen> ...second is discussion on process around the steering committee elections that will happen after TPAC
16:10:40 <Karen> ...at this point, those are the two main agenda items
16:10:45 <Karen> Ivan: Ok, I am the go-between
16:10:47 <Karen> ack BillK
16:11:00 <Karen> BillK: just checking if remote access will be available for the remote BG meeting?
16:11:06 <Karen> ...not everyone can make it in person
16:11:14 <Karen> Ivan: problem is I don't know if Bill did that
16:11:21 <Karen> ...we had to fill in the AV requests, including telco
16:11:28 <Karen> ...a while ago; not sure if that has been done
16:11:32 <Karen> BillM: I will check that out
16:11:42 <Karen> ...the Friday BG is piggy backing the Summit
16:11:50 <Karen> ...and there is not remote access for the Summit
16:11:56 <laudrain> TPAC 2017 schedule says 15:00–18:00 for groups on Friday afternoon
16:12:01 <Karen> ...and another reason why we are not doing elections in real time there
16:12:16 <Karen> ...Expect smaller number of people to stay for the BG meeting; we may be able to arrange something
16:12:26 <Karen> ...Ivan, whom did you mean about a writer? A journalist?
16:12:35 <Karen> Ivan: No, Thomson Reuters
16:12:47 <Karen> s/a writer/ representative from Thomson Reuters
16:12:53 <Karen> Ivan: I will edit the minutes
16:12:54 <RickJ> q?
16:12:58 <BillM> ack Bill
16:13:03 <Karen> Rick: anyone else in the queue?
16:13:15 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:13:30 <Karen> Rick: Last call for any other questions for TPAC-related things
16:13:35 <Karen> ...then we will move to the Google doc
16:13:36 <RickJ> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jpw0KA9StAnWZAaIMqnITmdSOchIZeQIvphX5AmAulg/edit?usp=sharing
16:13:47 <Karen> ...I have changed permissions for everyone to edit it
16:13:54 <Karen> ...general idea here as we discussed last time
16:14:07 <Karen> ...is to formulate, discover and identify the specific task forces that we want to form
16:14:09 <mikebaker> +present
16:14:14 <Karen> ...to address specific needs together
16:14:17 <ivan> present+ mikebaker
16:14:19 <Karen> ...and solicit specific involvement
16:14:33 <Karen> ...get together on regular basis, provide input to those task forces
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16:14:45 <Karen> ...Steering Committee members have each identified those they want to champion
16:14:47 <ivan> present+ makoto
16:14:54 <Karen> ...thought is to take a few minutes and go through each row
16:14:54 <George> present+ George
16:14:55 <ivan> present+ tzviya
16:15:09 <Karen> ...have each champion for that task force talk about what they want to solve and how to move it forward
16:15:19 <Karen> ...first one is welcoming new members to this Business Group
16:15:26 <Karen> ...Cristina, can you give us an overview?
16:15:38 <Karen> Cristina: Because W3C is a complex organization
16:15:57 <Karen> ...we would like to offer some advice on how W3C works
16:16:12 <Karen> ...to welcome and be available to for questions; or maybe prepare some short presentation
16:16:22 <Karen> ...an easy FAQ coming in as newbies
16:16:36 <Karen> Rick: if this is something you are interested in, please add yourself into the Google doc
16:16:42 <Karen> ...if you have a question, then q+ on irc channel
16:16:53 <Karen> ...we don't have anyone up yet who has signed up to recruit new members
16:16:57 <Karen> ...we need to continue to grow
16:17:07 <Karen> ...if you are interested to do along with other people, add your name there
16:17:13 <Karen> ...and we will start coordinating with you
16:17:20 <Karen> ...next one is Cristina, is to survey new members
16:17:38 <Karen> Cristina: yes, to better understand publisher participation; what they are doing; what issues to address
16:17:53 <Karen> ...as we are a BG, important to have a business knowledge about what the participants want, not only the technical ones
16:17:58 <Karen> Rick: all right
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16:18:06 <Karen> ...Best practices; four SC members
16:18:11 <Karen> ...BillK, Rachel, Mike and Liisa
16:18:19 <Karen> BillK: I will chime in to defer to the other three
16:18:38 <Karen> ...I was first to put my name in here, but I also have my name on another one I would like to lead; I will still participate
16:18:48 <Karen> Rick: Rachel, Mike or Liisa, do you want to talk about this?
16:18:59 <rachel> I'm on the IRC but not the call. I have begun documenting this in the PUBL-CG space
16:19:10 <Karen> Liisa: Rachel has a conflict now; as people find best practices for use cases, we want to disseminate so people can use it
16:19:20 <Karen> BillK: Rachel is doing a lot of that work in the context of the Community Group
16:19:24 <tzviya> q+
16:19:27 <Karen> Mike: I am happy to participate in this
16:19:37 <Karen> ...if it needs somebody to lead, I am also happy to lead as well
16:19:45 <rachel> we are working with BISG to identify the markets that best practices address
16:19:50 <Karen> ...If Rachel has done work already, I am happy to let her continue
16:19:55 <rachel> and gathering existing documentation
16:20:00 <Karen> BillK: We can take practice of person who is not here...
16:20:05 <Karen> ...should be the same thing
16:20:11 <Karen> Mike: yes, agree should be the same thing
16:20:19 <Karen> Rick: Working with other parts of the W3C
16:20:26 <Karen> ...Ivan, Mike and Tzviya
16:20:29 <Karen> ack Tzviya
16:20:40 <Karen> Tzviya: A lot of work overlaps with other groups in W3C
16:20:46 <Karen> ...important to keep an eye on what they are doing
16:20:59 <Karen> ...For example, Charles LaPierre is working on ARIA personalization
16:21:08 <tzviya> q-
16:21:15 <Karen> ...so on font adjustment, we would participate here to bring our knowledge to them, and their knowledge to us
16:21:18 <Karen> Ivan: Another fact
16:21:23 <Karen> ...there may be during other work
16:21:31 <Karen> ...other technical requirements
16:21:43 <Karen> ...that may be covered by some WGs or are relevant as requirements for another WG
16:21:51 <Karen> ...so we should play role between groups
16:21:56 <Karen> ...CSS related issues are the typical ones
16:21:57 <RickJ> q?
16:22:00 <Karen> ...but there might be others
16:22:05 <Karen> Rick: Ok
16:22:12 <Karen> ...next one, Garth has your name with Murata
16:22:16 <Karen> ...3.1 version issues
16:22:24 <Karen> Garth: yes, that is a research project that I have not yet done
16:22:32 <Karen> ...my plan is to in some copious spare time coming up
16:22:44 <Karen> ...spend some time on the changes document on the 3.0 and 3.1 changes document
16:23:09 <Karen> ...and see if reasonable to re-version 3.0 as 3.1 to see if it addresses concerns from the Far East
16:23:21 <Karen> Murata: my plan was to propose for next year
16:23:30 <Karen> ...at this stage of the game, I think this is a research project
16:23:40 <Karen> Garth: yes, that was my plan; get a look at it this year
16:23:44 <Karen> ...and flow into next year
16:23:51 <Karen> ...and see what level we need for a 3.02
16:23:58 <Karen> ...I agree with your take, Murata
16:24:03 <Karen> Rick: Thank you
16:24:07 <Karen> ...Tzviya, EPUB Check
16:24:19 <Karen> Tzviya: We are working on a @ for EPUB Check
16:24:23 <Karen> ...over next few weeks
16:24:30 <Karen> ...if you want to help out, please let us know
16:24:37 <Karen> ...we have our next task force meeting tomorrow
16:24:42 <Karen> Rick: Is this a TF in motion?
16:24:53 <Karen> Tzviya: yes, already in motion, but we desperately need your help
16:24:58 <Karen> Rick: yes, we all need this done
16:25:15 <Karen> ...George, I have you down for EPUB Test, with Accessibility focus
16:25:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:25:21 <Karen> George: Accessibility group is meeting regularly
16:25:28 <Karen> ...next meeting is 1st of November
16:25:33 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/24-pbg-minutes.html ivan
16:25:42 <Karen> ...if anyone wants to participate, send me an email, and I will get you signed up to help with that testing
16:25:47 <Karen> ...we do have to figure out the home for this site
16:26:07 <Karen> ...we have had meetings with BISG Content Structure group about what we need to do to maintain this long term
16:26:15 <Karen> Rick: This is Rick Wright
16:26:19 <Karen> ...I am happy to participate
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16:26:24 <Karen> Rick: I don't think I have write permission
16:26:31 <Karen> RickJ: refrech
16:26:41 <Karen> ...George and BillK, there are two roads here
16:26:47 <Karen> ...George on the Accessibility side
16:26:49 <ivan> s/refrech/refresh/
16:26:56 <Karen> ...do you want to address your row on EPUB Test maintenance
16:27:09 <Karen> BillK: I think that ought to be the same thing; we don't want two separate task forces
16:27:19 <Karen> ...After the Content Structure committee meeting last week
16:27:29 <Karen> ...I think you added that I would be the champion of organizing and keeping this in motion
16:27:33 <Karen> ...I have already, but it's been slow
16:27:39 <ivan> present+ rkwright
16:27:45 <Karen> ...Because of the complexity of the arrangements among the various organizations
16:28:01 <Karen> ...it was a BISG thing, DAISY did the programming; hosting really belongs in W3C now
16:28:09 <Karen> ...we are in a bit of a paralysis now
16:28:18 <Karen> ...no one org can seem to take over and do it
16:28:22 <leslie> present+ leslie
16:28:24 <Karen> ...so there needs to be some active work on this
16:28:40 <Karen> ...Suggest that this TF have members from each of those constituent orgs and we actually schedule regular calls to work this out
16:28:44 <Karen> ...I have specific people
16:28:54 <Karen> ...that I would draft to be on that task force to be in that conversation
16:29:02 <Karen> ...You, Rick, Geoge, Avneesh
16:29:07 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:29:07 <Zakim> Present: Avneesh, Dan_Sanicola, ivan, wolfgang, Cristina, Bill_Kasdorf, Graham, george, Jens_Klingelhöfer, Julian_Calderazi, Junko_Kamata, Karen, laudrain, Tzviya, RickJ,
16:29:11 <Zakim> ... rkwright, Brian, mateus, Garth, BillM, present, mikebaker, makoto, leslie
16:29:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see leslie, wolfgang, George, BillM, garth, mateus, Brian, laurentlemeur, tzviya, Jens_Bookwire_, rachel, MURATA, liisamk, JKamata, rkwright, laudrain, Bill_Kasdorf,
16:29:11 <Zakim> ... Graham, Julian_Calderazi, Cristina, Dan_Sanicola, RickJ, mikebaker, Avneesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, Karen, bigbluehat
16:29:12 <Karen> George: Under the Publishing BG, this TF would be convening
16:29:19 <wolfgang> s/Geoge/George/
16:29:19 <Karen> ...and we can get together on frequency and agendas
16:29:29 <Karen> ...and it would be independent from my group doing the Accessibility Testing
16:29:39 <Karen> BillK: you would prefer two separate task forces?
16:29:44 <Karen> George: not necessarilty
16:29:52 <Karen> ...we talk about specific areas of testing we have done
16:30:00 <Karen> ...but this BG seems to be at a higher level
16:30:08 <Karen> ...Accessibility may have an additional meeting
16:30:09 <wolfgang> s/necessarilty/necessarily/
16:30:21 <Karen> BillK: the TF should not undermine what you are doing on Accessibility testing
16:30:27 <Karen> ...that is working and producing sound results
16:30:35 <Karen> ...but we have existential questions on mainstream testing
16:30:48 <Karen> ...for use by developers; we need more people at the table
16:30:58 <Karen> RickJ: coming out of BISG meeting last week, and to entice you
16:31:08 <Karen> ...one of the things is revisiting some of the fundamental assumptions
16:31:13 <Karen> ...and to continue Accessibility as is
16:31:22 <ivan> present+ JKamata
16:31:25 <Karen> ...and maybe other part of TF is a set of files for developers to access from GitHub
16:31:56 <Karen> BillK: that was an excellent conversation but we need input from this group; fundamentally there are W3C issues
16:32:04 <Karen> RickJ: I have combined those into one
16:32:09 <Karen> ...Ivan, MathML and STEM
16:32:17 <Karen> Ivan: I have put down my name, as it is painful
16:32:25 <Karen> ...we know we have a problem with MathML and with STEM
16:32:33 <Karen> ...I have difficulty to figure out what we should do about it
16:32:46 <Karen> ...there is a Community Group led by Peter Krauztberger
16:32:50 <Karen> ...not sure how far the CG has gone
16:33:08 <wolfgang> s/Krauztberger/Krautzberger/
16:33:13 <Karen> ..what I was hoping is that there would be some kind of implementation strategy for MathML to make it much more usable and much faster than what we have today
16:33:19 <Karen> ...and what can be done there
16:33:24 <rachel> present+
16:33:26 <Karen> ...the whole thing is a bit in a dead end
16:33:44 <Karen> ...and yet this community is in the best position to make noise and to make resources to solve this problem
16:33:58 <Karen> ...Web at large does not seem to care so much about MathML; whereas publishing community does care
16:34:11 <Karen> ...If there are people in group to have clearer ideas on how to move forward
16:34:21 <Karen> ...I am happy to shepherd and help
16:34:29 <Karen> ...but I am not the one to solve this problem by myself
16:34:38 <Karen> RickJ: media overlays does not have a person associated with this
16:34:48 <Karen> ...Ivan or Garth, do you want to address ww2?
16:34:56 <Karen> ...EPUB uses SMIL, a small percentage
16:35:00 <Karen> ...but a problem in the WG
16:35:00 <mikebaker> @ivan I can help with MathML
16:35:10 <Karen> ...that SMIL is practically not implemented by any of the browsers
16:35:24 <Karen> ...so it's not clear on web publishing what we would have and use in place of that
16:35:42 <Karen> ...in the Accessibility TF there has been some discussion; and we will discuss at TPAC
16:35:51 <Karen> ...one poss outcome is separate spec work
16:35:56 <Karen> ...that could create a minimal layer
16:36:01 <Karen> ...that is enough for publishing world
16:36:01 <George> q+
16:36:08 <Karen> ...and implementable through some tricky JS
16:36:13 <Karen> ...and polyfill or whatever
16:36:17 <Karen> ...and where it comes back to BG
16:36:24 <Karen> ...is that this may lead to a separate WG
16:36:36 <Karen> ...not clear to me that this work should be done in the Publishing WG
16:36:47 <Karen> ...what comes out would be useful not only for Publishing but for the Web at large
16:37:02 <Karen> ...Would need help in chartering, going through the whole process with experts to get this rolling
16:37:09 <Karen> ...fine for my name to be a coordinator for this
16:37:20 <Karen> ...Marissa is working on this; as is Daniel
16:37:24 <Karen> RickJ: good summary
16:37:35 <Karen> ...next row is a general Accessibility row
16:37:43 <Karen> ...Luc, Graham and Cristina
16:37:53 <Karen> Cristina: when I put in the grid first, it did not have Accessibility
16:38:13 <Karen> ...but it would be good to communicate what we are doing generally, not only technically on Accessibility
16:38:17 <Karen> ...something we have already done
16:38:31 <Karen> ...we were involved in the ISO discussion for the European Accessibility Act
16:38:46 <Karen> Luc: yes, we are involved in making Accessibility known to publishers, suppliers and other orgs in Europe
16:38:53 <Karen> ...which is why I subscribed to this line
16:39:07 <Karen> RickJ: Cristina, you have next line as well about communications to outside world
16:39:20 <Karen> Cristina: yes, we make a lot of information available to technical staff
16:39:39 <Karen> ...for example, Publishing Summit is known by tech community
16:39:47 <Karen> ...but we need to be more known more broadly
16:39:57 <RickJ> q?
16:40:03 <Karen> ...for example Publishers Weekly, the Italian Publishers communications
16:40:25 <Karen> ...I think this is on-going; work with W3C Comms on articles
16:40:42 <Karen> ...for things that may be related on EDRLab on reading solutions; Readium
16:40:44 <ivan> present+ Brian
16:40:47 <Karen> RickJ: Lax in my queue
16:40:55 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:40:58 <Karen> BillK: we covered me
16:41:02 <RickJ> ack garth
16:41:02 <Karen> ack George
16:41:09 <Karen> George: This relates to multimedia
16:41:18 <ivan> q+
16:41:24 <Karen> ...Janina asked why TTML and WebVTT not sufficient for multimedia needs?
16:41:38 <Karen> ...We will discuss this with Janina with the architecture
16:41:50 <Karen> Ivan: The question on effort on anything we do
16:42:00 <Karen> ...if existing techs are relevant or now
16:42:05 <Karen> ...we need to take into account
16:42:10 <Karen> ...TTML and WebVTT are clearly there
16:42:14 <Karen> ...a new API on Web Animation
16:42:21 <Karen> ...that has a bunch of notions that are relevant here
16:42:32 <Karen> ...we may be lucky and have everything at our disposal and I would be happy about that
16:42:37 <Karen> RickJ: excellent
16:42:53 <Karen> [scratching noises]
16:43:07 <Brian> LOUD scratching noises
16:43:07 <Karen> Rick: next is the ISO standardization
16:43:15 <Karen> ...Luc, you are up
16:43:21 <Karen> Luc: Happy to see that Murata is here also
16:43:33 <Karen> ...we have this reflection, discussions on ISO standardization for Accessibility
16:43:39 <Karen> ...to go to Accessibility as a standard in ISO
16:43:42 <Karen> ...we need several steps
16:43:46 <Karen> ...with different versions of EPUB
16:43:50 <Karen> ...and we are working on this already
16:43:54 <Karen> ...something that is going on
16:44:03 <Karen> ...My part is to make the European Commission aware of this
16:44:17 <Karen> ...the EU Act may lead to a standard; want this to be well standardizaed
16:44:26 <Karen> Murata: to submit for int'l standard
16:44:32 <Karen> ...we await ok from W3C management
16:44:36 <Karen> ...Bill McCoy?
16:44:47 <Karen> ...Are we waiting for permission from W3C management?
16:45:01 <Karen> BillM: yes, it is being discussed; but there were some questions
16:45:06 <laudrain> q+
16:45:15 <Karen> ...Francis is going to research those questions before we ask for W3M blessing to the recommendation
16:45:25 <ivan> q-
16:45:29 <Karen> ...when we first had this discussion, it was before Francis took over @34
16:45:42 <Karen> ...Am I wrong that we are waiting for answers from Francis?
16:45:47 <Karen> BillK: yes, that is correct
16:45:52 <Karen> ...and he has worked with Murata on this
16:45:56 <Karen> Luc: I have an issue on this
16:46:05 <Karen> ...in France there is no SC34 commission
16:46:18 <Karen> Murata: I think France is a member, but I have not seen active participants from France
16:46:40 <Karen> Luc: I don't think so; the French National Body for standards said there is no SC34 commission in France
16:46:43 <Karen> ...there is an SC35
16:46:53 <Karen> ...would be good to have dialogue between the two
16:47:01 <Karen> ...there are interfaces with accessibility issues
16:47:11 <Karen> ...that is where WCAG2.0 is an ISO standard
16:47:33 <Karen> Murato: I thought WCAG was PASS submitter
16:47:43 <Karen> Luc: I can confirm we cannot vote on your new work item
16:47:55 <Karen> Bill: SC34 v 35 is one of questions Francis is exploring
16:48:07 <Karen> Murato: i checked and @ is not in SC35
16:48:12 <Karen> Luc: I will continue to discuss
16:48:20 <Karen> ...spoke with Francis at Frankfurt Book Fiar
16:48:25 <Karen> S/Fiar/Fair
16:48:33 <Karen> Murata: i can send you details on this
16:48:42 <Karen> Rick: Sounds like this task force is moving ahead
16:48:46 <Karen> ...and we applaud you for doing this
16:48:51 <Karen> Luc: it's a strange world
16:48:54 <Karen> Rick: Two more to go here
16:49:03 <Karen> ...EPUB and Metadata; Graham, Luc and Brian
16:49:16 <Karen> Graham: I added it so we must not forget it
16:49:19 <Karen> ...as a BG
16:49:34 <Karen> ...we want to sell books, journals, etc. and we need to properly present it in the supply chain
16:49:59 <Karen> ...Not aware of specific issues at the moment, but I am happy to deal with issues referred to me and us, both W3C and within EDItEUR
16:50:06 <Karen> Rick: requirements across sectors; Liisa
16:50:10 <Cristina> q+
16:50:15 <Karen> ...I added Robbie Robson from Eduworks
16:50:21 <laudrain> q-
16:50:25 <Karen> Liisa: there are a lot of things we talked about when this group formed
16:50:39 <rachel> q+
16:50:43 <Karen> ...look at what the marketplace needs; readers, publishers, etc. and gather those requirements and feed to the appropriate teams
16:50:46 <Karen> RickJ: excellent
16:50:51 <Karen> ...also received from Robbie
16:51:07 <Avneesh> q+
16:51:13 <Karen> ...he is looking for interested participants to work on IEEE tech committee that he is involved with
16:51:14 <ivan> ack Cristina
16:51:15 <Karen> ack Cristina
16:51:22 <Karen> Cristina: A general question
16:51:39 <Karen> ...do we need to be only on our @ or may we encharge someone from our organization to be part of the discussion?
16:51:52 <Karen> RickJ: technically, I don't think there is a reason they cannot take place
16:52:08 <Karen> Cristina: For some topics, like metadata, we have people who are more knowledgeable than me
16:52:10 <Karen> ...just to know
16:52:17 <Karen> Rickj: let me touch on next steps
16:52:25 <ivan> present+ rachel
16:52:27 <Karen> ...Rachel, you are here and volunteering you!
16:52:35 <Karen> Rachel: I was on irc and on another meeting
16:52:40 <ivan> ack rachel
16:52:43 <Karen> ...I am happy to be volunteered for the best practices work
16:52:48 <Karen> ...for CG, that is where I am right now
16:53:00 <Karen> ...I did want to say to Liisa, it sounds like there may be some overlap
16:53:09 <Karen> ...with Best Practices and needs you are looking at
16:53:23 <Karen> ...want to make sure we look at needs and not force a BP onto another area
16:53:30 <Karen> ...for example on a journal publisher
16:53:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Rachel
16:53:45 <mateus> +1
16:53:49 <Karen> ...would be good to coordinate on the various verticals so we can do recommentations for both requirements and bp
16:53:56 <wolfgang> +1 to Rachel
16:53:56 <Karen> Liisa: Absolutely agree we should coordinate
16:54:00 <Karen> ack Avneesh
16:54:16 <Karen> Avneesh: there is a lot of overlap in these Task Forces in BG and the WG
16:54:21 <ivan> +1 to Avneesh
16:54:23 <Karen> ...what is the role of the various TFes
16:54:23 <wolfgang> s/recommentations/recommendations/
16:54:29 <Karen> ...good to have strategic outcomes document
16:54:39 <Karen> ...so people can know the objectives among the various task forces
16:54:46 <Karen> ...second thing is maybe we should look beyond the BG
16:55:22 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
16:55:39 <ivan> Avneesh: in some cases some separate community groups could take over the task forces' work
16:56:01 <ivan> ... and bring people into the BG
16:56:01 <ivan> RickJ: I wanted to to talk about the next steps
16:56:07 <ivan> ... this list is not what the BG will do by itself
16:56:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:56:16 <ivan> ... we identified waht we are interested in
16:56:30 <ivan> ... and then we will have to find out with whom to work, find those groups, etc
16:56:33 <wolfgang> s /waht/what/
16:56:54 <ivan> ... my proposal is that on the TPAC F2F we discuss this, to see where we need to create something, etc
16:57:00 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
16:57:01 <ivan> ... if you are at the tpac meeting, join us
16:57:06 <Karen> RickJ: If you are at TPAC
16:57:16 <Karen> ...please help us create where we need to create and move forward with that
16:57:20 <Karen> ...Let me check queue one more time
16:57:24 <RickJ> q?
16:57:34 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:57:34 <RickJ> ack bill
16:57:44 <Karen> BillK: how public is this list of task force happenings?
16:57:52 <Karen> ...is this something to keep internally or to be shared?
16:57:58 <Karen> ...it's a pretty impressive list of things
16:58:03 <Karen> RickJ: I would say this is a working draft
16:58:09 <Karen> ...about where we want to get people involved
16:58:22 <Karen> ...where we come out after that meeting, we would want to share
16:58:30 <Karen> BillK: ok, so promote what we are doing post TPAC
16:58:31 <Karen> +1
16:58:39 <Karen> ...speak up if contrary opinions
16:58:46 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:58:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/24-pbg-minutes.html ivan
16:58:51 <Karen> ...or represent different expectations or outcomes
16:58:55 <Karen> RickJ: that sounds great
16:59:00 <Karen> Ivan: I will clean up the minutes tomorrow
16:59:06 <Karen> ...and make clear which task forces are there
16:59:11 <Karen> ...and there will be a link to this document
16:59:14 <Karen> RickJ: perfect
16:59:19 <Karen> +1 Ivan clean up minutes
16:59:25 <Karen> Ivan: I will do it tomorrow
16:59:36 <Karen> RickJ: Thank you everyone for participating in this launch of the TF efforts
16:59:45 <Karen> ...Look forward to seeing many of you
16:59:55 <Karen> Ivan: Where we have some sort of a dinner there?
17:00:04 <Karen> RickJ: Let's address that at SC call on Tuesday
17:00:07 <Karen> ...Talk later
17:00:10 <Julian_Calderazi> bye!
17:00:12 <Karen> meeting adjourns
17:00:17 <Karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/24-pbg-minutes.html Karen
17:00:36 <wolfgang> *Wolfgang waves back @Karen
17:00:43 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/24-pbg-minutes.html ivan
17:00:45 <laurentlemeur> laurentlemeur has left #pbg
17:00:48 <ivan> zakim, bye
17:00:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Avneesh, Dan_Sanicola, ivan, wolfgang, Cristina, Bill_Kasdorf, Graham, george, Jens_Klingelhöfer, Julian_Calderazi,
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17:00:51 <Zakim> ... Junko_Kamata, Karen, laudrain, Tzviya, RickJ, rkwright, Brian, mateus, Garth, BillM, present, mikebaker, makoto, leslie, JKamata, rachel
17:00:54 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:00:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items