<wolfgang> is anyone already connected to webex?

<dauwhe> No. Getting various errors still. I've emailed Ivan.

<wolfgang> thx, Dave!

<dauwhe> still no luck

<dauwhe> yeah, that link is definitely not working

<dauwhe> Sorry everyone. Romain, do you have a link or # for DAISY's?

<dauwhe> rachel and I are on the DAISY line

<Avneesh> DAISY line is in US

<rdeltour> present_

<garth> Are other folks able to dial in… is “319 436 071” really the meeting ID?

<dauwhe> Garth: we're using the DAISY number

<Terence> I tried, but it said the meeting had been cancelled or ended.

<garth> Tx! That’s what I got too.

<garth> And for Brady: dial in +1 712/432-7300 Pin: 25693#

<LauraBrady> Just dialled in successfully.

<scribe> scribenick: tzviya

Update from A11y TF

<rachel> Avneesh are you able to join the line?

dauwhe: Avneesh sent an email summarizing. BillM is working with W3M on ISO standardization
... If things progress, we will work with CG to ISO standardize EPUB A11y 1.0

ACE Accessibility Checker

<dauwhe> https://inclusivepublishing.org/news-and-events/news/announcing-ace-beta-release/

dauwhe: Beta testing has begun
... You can download and install the tool to participate in beta testing
... I got it working and it's pretty cool. It generates a JSON file identifying accessibility problems.
... I encourage all of you to test it

rachel: I have been pressuring vendors to test it as well

rdeltour: ACE is a tool to check conformance to EPUB Accessibility 1.0 tools. It's for power users. The tool has 2 facets.
... It does automated checks and data extractions. Automated checks are conservative to avoid false positives.
... data extraction is intended for later inspection of content.
... When using the tool, it's important to remember that it does only part of the job. Most things cannot be autoamted.
... There is also an HTTP install for larger workflows.

<Avneesh> Sorry my screen reader crashed and I had to restart

<rdeltour> Ace's dev site: https://daisy.github.io/ace

rdeltour: For those not interested in the technical, there is also inclusivepublishing.org

<rdeltour> For higher-level news: https://inclusivepublishing.org

<rdeltour> and the issue tracker on GitHub: https://github.com/daisy/ace/issues

dauwhe: any questions for avneesh or romain?

EPUB for Ed

rachel: I spent some time digging into existing EPUB for Ed
... Especially as we discuss best practices, I think that a significant portion of the spec is just best practices
... I am trying to come up with a recommendation for how we can break down this profile
... Perhaps this will be best practices that differ by genre
... There may be elements that should be merged with 3.1 spec
... Some elements should be best practices or samples.

dauwhe: It seems that one of the only obvious things that would fit into the 3.1 spec is some of the metadata
... some of it might be a11y metadata, and some of it might be what type of ed material it is

rachel: that is section 8

dau

<dauwhe> https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/education/epub-education.html

<rachel> https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/education/epub-education.html#navigation

rachel: I was also looking at section 7 about navigation and wondering if that might go into 3.1 as well
... what's the best way to raise this?

<rachel> Section 8 Metadata: https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/education/epub-education.html#publication-metadata

dauwhe: github issue
... some of the navigation section is more best practices related (it is suggested, not MUST/SHOULD)

tzviya: the navigation section includes some SSV terms "toc-brief". We need to know if there are other terms that need to go into an ARIA vocabulary

<Bill_Kasdorf> why is the sky blue?

rachel: where should we record that?

tzviya: let's start recording that in the CG and bring it to the WG after tpac

dauwhe: does anyone know status of LTI stuff?

tzviya: ask RickJ

best practices

dauwhe: One can get into a lot of trouble
... what can be done and by whom to help with best practices?

rachel: I was looking at epub for ed spec. As i reach out to people for help, I've discovered that solutions are market-specific.
... I have been thinking that best practices might be an alternative to profiles
... This would involve working with BISG

<rachel> roles for BISG

<rachel> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6A7PnYNt/

<garth> Socializing over drinks is always fine.

Bill_Kasdorf: This is on agenda for tomorrow's BISG Content Structure Committee meeting tomorrow

Evan: how generic is this best practices discussion? Is it tied to what readers will/won't support or more generic?

rachel: I am hesitant to get into system support, especially considering how fickle they can be
... I think it would be useful to say this is a best practice, but bear in mind that it won't work on X platform

Evan: This topic has come up in other groups, such as JatsML - is this a potential subset of EPUB?

dauwhe: I'm remembering working on BISG FXL guide. We had a broad set of guidelines, followed by systems restrictions
... If we include systems, it greatly adds to the task. I am greatly interested in what the interoperable core of EPUB is
... finding out what the core is would be of great interest

Bill_Kasdorf: Sometimes best practices can be about dealing with the inconsistency
... How do we publish? I recommend a web-based living document, not a static document

<rachel> +1 to dynamic web publication

<dauwhe> tzviya: If you look successful docs we've seen in the past

<dauwhe> ... the ones that have longevity don't address the fickleness of reading systmes

<dauwhe> ... like Matt's a11y guidelines

<dauwhe> https://idpf.github.io/a11y-guidelines/

<dauwhe> ... we'll forever be updating if we deal with interop

<dauwhe> ... maybe interop is a separate project

<dauwhe> +1

<rachel> +1 to interoperability as a unique spec

<wolfgang> +1

dauwhe: I was going to bring up Matt's a11y guide as a useful model
... I wonder if we could build from that as a model, given how intertwined a11y and best practices already are

+1

Bill_Kasdorf: I recommend doing this in a modular fashion

+1 to Bill_Kasdorf

<rdeltour> http://kb.daisy.org/publishing/

rdeltour: Matt's guidelines have moved to accessibility knowledgebase
... we welcome contributions
... to the a11y knowledgebase

<dauwhe> https://github.com/daisy/kb

<dauwhe> q>

rdeltour: looking for reviewers and contributors, but this is not quite ready for publicizing

dauwhe: Everyone thinks best practices are a good idea. need volunteers

I will help

<LauraBrady> I am happy to contribute and help however I can.

rachel: I have volunteered

<LauraBrady> cool

dauwhe: next steps?

rachel: we can pull in best practices from epub for ed

<JohnCosta> I am happy to contribute also - based on profile work in IEEE Actionable Data Book research (interactive epub for education)

rachel: we can pull in resources from ???

<JohnCosta> http://ieee-adb.org

<LauraBrady> Weird echo on the phone call. Makes it hard to hear everything.

rachel: other resources to recommend?

<dauwhe> q

<rachel> we can pull resources from IEEE, DAISY, Publisher specific (Macmillan), and of course the education profile

dauwhe: AOB?

<teytag> Hi there

<LauraBrady> Thank you, Dave.

<wolfgang> Thanks, Dave!

<marisa_demeglio> ( present+ )

<teytag> Hi Dave. Will you send a notes about this meeting?

<dauwhe> teytag: yes, hope to have minutes up this afternoon

<teytag> Thanks for info

<Tobias> exit+

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