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13:06:56 <kaz> Meeting: WoT PlugFest
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13:07:30 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Matthias_Kovatsch, Taki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi, Uday_Davuluru, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool
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13:08:32 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2017Oct/0017.html
13:08:44 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:08:59 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Takeshi_Yamada
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13:10:02 <kaz> present+ Takeshi_Sano, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Toru_Kawaguchi
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13:11:16 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:11:22 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
13:11:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Taki_Kamiya
13:11:44 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
13:11:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kaz_Ashimura
13:11:53 <kaz> scrbenick: kaz
13:12:21 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2017Oct/0017.html
13:13:01 <kaz> topic: Matsukura-san's consolidated document
13:13:09 <ryuichi> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2017-burlingame/preparation.md
13:13:50 <kaz> mk: updated the figures right now
13:13:55 <kaz> ... should be reloaded
13:14:04 <kaz> matsu: created the MD above
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13:14:13 <kaz> ... including the materials from my slides
13:14:27 <kaz> ... section 1 introduction
13:14:55 <kaz> ... including background and use case description
13:14:59 <kaz> ... section 2 Servients
13:15:15 <kaz> ... 3 kinds of servients for 4-layered model
13:15:32 <kaz> ... application servient, device servient and proxy servient (remote/local)
13:15:49 <kaz> ... the idea came from Koster at Binding call
13:16:01 <kaz> ... 2.2 Servients from plugfest participants
13:16:23 <kaz> ... application servient - remote proxy servient - local proxy servient - device servient
13:16:31 <kaz> ... still mission pieces there
13:16:46 <kaz> ... section 2.3 is missing
13:17:03 <kaz> ... 2.4 is table o Servients and protocols
13:17:08 <kaz> ... very important information
13:17:28 <kaz> ... what kind of protocols are supported between which servient and which
13:17:44 <kaz> ... e.g., app servient - remote proxy servient
13:18:14 <kaz> ... Fujitsu app servient - (HTTP(S)) - Fujitsu remote proxy
13:18:37 <mkovatsc> q+
13:18:44 <kaz> ... Panasonic app servient - (HTTPS+WSS) - Panasonic device servient
13:18:51 <kaz> ... please add information on your servients
13:19:03 <kaz> ... 3. Application scenarios
13:19:10 <kaz> ... what kind of scenarios for PlugFest?
13:19:24 <kaz> ... 4. High level description of issues
13:19:42 <kaz> ... issues to be solved from people's viewpoints
13:19:50 <kaz> ... for the upcoming PlugFest
13:20:03 <kaz> ... please put your issues here
13:20:25 <kaz> ... next (section 4 again) Deadline and Schedule
13:20:31 <kaz> ... expected schedule
13:20:42 <kaz> ... who provides which servient(s)?
13:20:59 <kaz> ... next week (Oct. 25) specify inter-servient interface
13:21:11 <kaz> ... and then PlugFest itself on Nov 4-5
13:21:20 <kaz> ... that's my points
13:21:31 <kaz> s/points/document/
13:21:55 <kaz> mk: if you refresh the page, you can get the updated figures
13:22:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2017-burlingame/images/Servients_TPAC2017.png updated figure
13:22:48 <kaz> mk: possible WebUI app on the local side
13:23:13 <kaz> matsu: which one?
13:23:35 <kaz> mk: "WebUI WoT Client (Siemens)" on my pc
13:24:06 <kaz> ... and Local Proxy and Device Servients in Munich
13:24:18 <kaz> ... difficult to explain in this 4-layer model
13:24:31 <kaz> mm: diagrams in my document as well
13:24:59 <kaz> mk: we have different dimension actually
13:25:10 <kaz> q+
13:25:10 <mjkoster> q?
13:25:15 <kaz> ack mk
13:25:28 <kaz> mm: issue on Thing Directory
13:25:33 <kaz> ... and local device
13:25:42 <kaz> s/device/devices/
13:25:54 <kaz> ... factory service to create them
13:26:05 <kaz> mk: already assumes remote proxy
13:26:53 <kaz> q?
13:26:55 <mjkoster> q+
13:27:42 <kaz> kaz: maybe we can use another kind of diagram as well
13:27:57 <kaz> ... e.g., which shows the actual location-based topology
13:28:11 <kaz> mm: categories of servients
13:28:58 <kaz> ... 4-layered servients can be explained by the table
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13:29:35 <kaz> ... we don't have all the parts in this diagram here
13:29:43 <kaz> ... should make the diagram simpler
13:29:56 <k_nimura> q+
13:30:00 <kaz> mk: there're kind of stacks
13:30:01 <kaz> ack k
13:30:18 <kaz> ... did some update again
13:31:17 <kaz> mm: link to the implemented codes?
13:31:41 <kaz> ... we should discuss management api as well
13:32:44 <kaz> kaz: we don't have to stick with the "layer" here
13:32:52 <kaz> ... we can express the role using the color
13:33:06 <kaz> ... e.g., "WebUI WoT Client (Siemens)" as Matthias did
13:33:09 <kaz> mm: yeah
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13:33:59 <kaz> matsu: provide the detailed information on your part
13:34:17 <kaz> ... and then would like to clarify which servient by whom to be connected which
13:34:44 <kaz> ... for example, McCool, could you please add your stuff to this?
13:34:49 <kaz> mm: yes, I can
13:34:56 <kaz> ... after Matthias's update
13:35:03 <kaz> mk: ok
13:35:10 <kaz> ... going back to the table
13:35:17 <kaz> ... the basic version on PPT was ok
13:35:35 <kaz> ... but multi-column table here is difficult to edit
13:36:03 <kaz> ... maybe easier to use PPT table and put the image of that?
13:36:15 <kaz> matsu: ok to edit the ppt and put the table image here
13:37:04 <kaz> ... Koster, can you add your information?
13:37:08 <kaz> koster: ok
13:37:12 <kaz> matsu: and Uday?
13:37:16 <kaz> uday: will do
13:37:53 <kaz> matsu: if your name is missing, please add a row
13:38:19 <kaz> ... can put the updated table on this document
13:38:49 <kaz> ... there are many developers for application servients this time
13:39:18 <kaz> ... would like to know who will really provide applications
13:39:29 <kaz> mm: application servient?
13:39:33 <kaz> matsu: yes
13:39:41 <kaz> mm: Intel as well
13:39:58 <kaz> matsu: ok
13:40:44 <kaz> kaz: maybe everybody can send the information by text to Matsukura-san
13:40:53 <kaz> ... and he can integrate all the information
13:40:58 <kaz> koster: makes sense
13:41:21 <kaz> matsu: next, I'd like to clarify the application scenarios
13:41:41 <kaz> ... please put your ideas to this section "3. Application scenarios"
13:41:41 <kaz> q?
13:41:43 <kaz> ack k
13:41:45 <kaz> ack m
13:41:55 <kaz> koster: question on the diagram
13:42:09 <kaz> ... how the protocol binding might work
13:42:19 <kaz> ... let's show global scope and local scope
13:42:42 <kaz> ... local scope is accessible in the local network
13:42:49 <kaz> ... mapping of devices and applications
13:43:00 <kaz> ... possibly located on the remote side
13:43:16 <kaz> matsu: device servient on the cloud side?
13:43:23 <kaz> koster: yes, on the cloud side
13:43:27 <kaz> ... shadow devices
13:43:36 <kaz> ... HTTPS-based SmartThings API
13:43:47 <kaz> matsu: ok
13:44:02 <kaz> ... there are many variations for the upcoming PlugFest
13:44:12 <kaz> koster: yes, I'll add my pieces
13:44:41 <kaz> kawa: should we prepare Thing Description for devices we bring?
13:44:56 <kaz> ... if we share TDs in advance, we can know what to do beforehand
13:45:08 <kaz> ... useful to application scenario discussion as well
13:45:27 <kaz> matsu: TD of each device servient should be uploaded on GitHub
13:46:08 <kaz> kaz: we add TD and actual codes to the table
13:46:22 <kaz> ... as McCool suggested before
13:46:28 <kaz> nimura: about TD
13:46:41 <kaz> ... which is the actual version for the Burlingame PlugFest?
13:47:01 <kaz> mk: the target should be the FPWD of TD
13:47:19 <kaz> ... experimentally could include observable events
13:47:42 <kaz> ... what parts are mandatory and what are not
13:48:10 <kaz> matsu: everyone wants to know about the differences between different versions
13:48:26 <kaz> seb: good idea
13:48:51 <kaz> mk: will add a link to the TD spec and explain the difference
13:48:54 <kaz> matsu: appreciated
13:49:00 <mkovatsc> q?
13:49:10 <kaz> ... any other comments?
13:49:17 <kaz> mk: working on the ppt
13:49:30 <kaz> ... please use the latest version from GH
13:49:34 <kaz> yamada: will do
13:49:41 <kaz> s/working/was working/
13:50:07 <kaz> kawa: question about the procedure
13:50:13 <kaz> ... pullrequest for ppt?
13:50:25 <kaz> ... don't have write permission maybe
13:50:36 <kaz> mk: in that case, you can use pullrequest
13:50:49 <kaz> matsu: you should use a different file name
13:50:53 <kaz> ... that would be easier
13:51:06 <kaz> ... any other comments?
13:51:22 <kaz> (none)
13:51:41 <kaz> topic: next week
13:51:46 <kaz> matsu: we should talk about app scenarios next week
13:51:59 <kaz> ... also posters and facilities
13:52:23 <kaz> kaz: and inter-servient interface as recorded on the MD?
13:52:25 <kaz> matsu: yes
13:52:45 <kaz> ... will share a diagram on possible interface sequence
13:52:54 <kaz> ... please share your input as well
13:53:10 <kaz> ... by the next call on Wednesday, 25 Oct.
13:53:15 <kaz> mm: regarding poster
13:53:22 <kaz> ... make it professional
13:53:30 <mkovatsc> Template: https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2016-lisbon
13:53:30 <kaz> ... common template would be better
13:53:44 <kaz> ... print it by Monday
13:54:02 <kaz> ... we should have basic content by the PlugFest (on Nov. 4-5)
13:54:28 <kaz> ... can finalize right after PlugFest (on Nov. 4-5)
13:54:44 <kaz> mm: last year's template is a reasonable starting point
13:54:57 <kaz> mk: Daniel Peintner took care of the one last year
13:55:02 <kaz> ... template above
13:55:19 <kaz> mm: can somebody take an action for this year?
13:55:41 <kaz> mk: can do that right after getting the size available
13:55:49 <kaz> taki: several sizes available
13:55:56 <kaz> ... will send the information to the list
13:56:16 <kaz> mk: please include me directly (in addition to the list)
13:56:28 <kaz> matsu: how many posters?
13:56:42 <kaz> seb: last time we had one for each building block
13:57:07 <kaz> mk: can think about updating building block but quite some work
13:57:16 <kaz> mm: architecture, td, etc.
13:57:19 <kaz> ... and each demo
13:57:27 <kaz> ... e.g., Amazon integration by Intel
13:57:34 <kaz> ... 5 or more
13:57:43 <kaz> s/5/So 5/
13:57:52 <kaz> koster: might have one for SmartThings
13:58:08 <kaz> matsu: we have to assign people to each poster
13:58:10 <kaz> mk: yes
13:58:25 <kaz> matsu: aob?
13:58:29 <kaz> (none)
13:58:45 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:58:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:58:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/18-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:17:42 <kaz> Chair: Matsukura
14:17:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/18-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:18:06 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
14:18:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items