13:01:37 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 13:01:37 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/10/11-webtv-irc 13:03:03 colin has joined #webtv 13:03:38 Meeting: Media&Entertainment IG - Cloud Browser TF 13:03:54 present+ Alexandra, Colin, Chris, Kaz 13:09:13 present+ Ali Begen 13:09:22 s/Ali Begen/Ali_Begen/ 13:09:46 topic: welcome Ali 13:10:18 ali: from comcast working on media things 13:10:28 ... teaching at university as well 13:10:47 ... looking forward to working with you 13:10:54 alex: from DT 13:11:07 ... looking into Cloud Browser technology 13:11:24 chris: form Accessible Media 13:11:32 ... focus on accessibility 13:12:09 colin: from ActiveVideo 13:12:27 kaz: from W3C Team 13:12:36 ... based in Japan 13:12:44 ali: in Turkey 13:13:07 alex: in Berlin 13:13:26 topic: summarizing the work so far 13:13:35 alex: document updated by Colin 13:14:05 colin: still updating 13:14:29 alex: working on impact use cases 13:14:30 acbegen has joined #webtv 13:14:43 ... waiting for responses related companies 13:14:57 ... got feedback on MSE/EME 13:15:06 ... currently working on that 13:15:19 ... good contact point on MSE/EME 13:15:44 ... any open issues? 13:15:52 colin: don't think so 13:16:01 ... document updated 13:16:04 ... any questions? 13:16:50 https://btotr.github.io/cloud-browser-tf/ 13:17:30 https://btotr.github.io/cloud-browser-tf/ 13:18:07 alex has joined #webtv 13:18:15 alex: we can go through the document 13:18:48 kaz: Colin, do you want to go through the document? 13:19:08 s/we can go through/we can look at/ 13:19:34 alex: maybe we can ask the main IG for comments? 13:20:04 colin: use cases, accessibility requirements to be added before that 13:20:17 alex: MSE/EME considerations also to be added 13:20:36 ... also need broadcast use cases 13:20:52 ... should I put that as part of the impact use cases? 13:21:05 colin: tuner capability? 13:21:27 alex: there is an issue with working locally 13:21:39 colin: make sense to add to the document 13:21:53 alex: part of the impact cases 13:22:33 colin: will update the document and we can discuss it 13:22:56 alex: looking for something 13:23:13 ... list of related groups 13:23:24 ... how CB would impact those groups 13:24:20 colin: use cases we showed as impact cases 13:24:31 ... would be beneficial 13:24:52 ... maybe a separate section on that 13:25:07 https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/Specs/TVControlAPI 13:25:08 alex: would identify which work is already done 13:25:53 colin: that should be useful 13:26:43 kaz: please note the TV Control WG itself has been closed 13:26:47 colin: right 13:26:54 ... but the content is still useful 13:27:37 alex: had an action item to review accessibility use cases 13:27:54 chris: have some high level topics on accessibility 13:28:00 ... captioning, interoperability, sign language, etc. 13:28:21 ... would like feed back on how deeper to dive into 13:30:44 -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_capabilities 13:30:54 chris: how we should proceed? 13:31:30 ... certain things CB should support 13:32:05 -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/UseCases 13:32:25 https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/UseCases#Accessibility_Use_Cases 13:32:45 chris: let's say you're watching TV with your family 13:32:59 ... some people might not be enjoyable 13:33:21 colin: not CB-specific 13:33:41 ... we can have a PC/TV on which a browser works 13:34:07 ... doesn't matter if the browser is (usual) local browser or cloud browser 13:34:20 alex: we used to have second screen use case 13:34:32 ... that was not really CB-specific 13:34:53 ... and we had removed it (from our scope) 13:35:44 colin: we thought second screen could have been part of CB discussion 13:35:52 ... what about accessibility? 13:36:06 ... second screen could help 13:36:17 ... accessibility problems 13:36:30 ... so this kind of use cases are useful 13:36:37 chris: yes 13:36:57 ... what if someone with disability watches TV 13:37:02 ... might have difficulty 13:37:17 ... we can provide control via second screen 13:37:36 colin: yes 13:37:42 ... that's why we need some solution 13:38:04 ... second screen could be a simple solution for that 13:38:22 chris: second screen interact/orchestrate with TV 13:38:44 colin: second screen can interact with orchestration 13:39:12 chris: that is important for me to make the system accessible 13:39:26 ... touch point for accessibility 13:39:44 colin: we didn't include that point in the CB Architecture 13:40:12 chris: there are many parallel discussion by related groups according to the main M&E IG call 13:40:18 s/discussion/discussions/ 13:40:47 ... user device becomes a controller for TV 13:40:56 ... could be a use case for accessibility 13:41:12 colin: agree 13:41:25 chris: ok 13:41:31 ... so what do you want for me? 13:41:52 colin: use case for accessing streaming data 13:42:19 chris: can put the idea together 13:42:53 topic: AOB 13:42:57 colin: white paper on CB 13:43:10 ... tried to explain Cloud Browser from application aspect 13:43:45 ... what should we do in case of EME 13:44:03 ... responsibility of client side or clide side? 13:44:18 ... concept of device 13:44:41 ... not clear enough 13:45:01 alex: should we go into the detail? 13:45:09 colin: looking into a proposal 13:45:15 ... a white paper 13:45:31 ... needed to explain the concept of Cloud Browser 13:46:02 alex: useful exercise 13:46:30 ... browser framework is very client-centric 13:47:37 ... single IP address requirement 13:48:03 colin: what we don't expect in our draft 13:48:46 ... we need to explain more 13:49:10 alex: do you propose we update the architecture draft? 13:49:34 colin: could add description to the draft 13:49:40 alex: ok 13:49:54 q? 13:51:00 topic: TPAC logistics 13:51:18 kaz: the IG Chairs want us to give summary of our work 13:51:31 alex: would like Colin to do that 13:52:37 Joint meetings with related groups 13:52:37 Timed Text WG - Chris 13:52:37 Second Screen WG - Chris 13:52:37 Web of Things WG/IG - Kaz 13:52:37 Automotive WG/BG - Kaz 13:52:38 Web Media API CG - Mark 13:52:40 SVG Streaming CG - Kaz 13:52:42 Web Platform Incubator CG (WICG) - Mark 13:52:44 Color on the Web CG - Kaz 13:52:46 Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) WG - Kaz 13:52:48 Audio WG - Chris 13:53:30 kaz: also we can have joint discussion with the above related groups 13:54:11 colin: we had discussion with WoT in Lisbon 13:54:57 kaz: they published FPWDs on their architecture and data format 13:55:14 ... maybe would make sense to think about how to connect Cloud Browser with the WoT framework 13:56:17 ... will work with both the M&E Chairs and the WoT Chairs 13:57:20 u here me? 13:57:42 topic: call time 13:58:10 alex: will send an updated invite to you for the next slot 13:58:25 ... if everybody can accept it, we can make it 13:58:35 [adjourned] 13:58:40 rrsagent, make log public 13:58:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:58:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz 14:26:02 Karen has joined #webtv 16:07:35 Zakim has left #webtv