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12:45:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:45:05 <trackbot> Date: 11 October 2017
12:45:22 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of virtual reality - preparation of findings.
12:45:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Update: questions posed to Web Authentication Working Group and meeting arrangements at TPAC 2017.
12:46:37 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Update: revision of W3C Working Group Note, "Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA".
12:46:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Other topics of interest.
12:46:57 <jasonjgw> present+
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12:59:29 <janina> present+
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13:00:31 <MichaelC> present+
13:01:46 <janina> scribe: janina
13:01:57 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:01:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Accessibility of virtual reality - preparation of findings." taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:34 <janina> jgw: Believe the draft is complete
13:03:19 <janina> sh: Found lots of discussion on concepts, but little actual research
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13:04:58 <janina> jgw: Recalling observations from APA discussion this past spring, noted VR could impose similar obstacles to those experienced in physical environment
13:05:19 <janina> sh: Came across nothing like that, but it's a good point
13:05:44 <Judy> present+ Judy
13:05:53 <janina> sh: Came across a VR game that allows some adaptation
13:06:10 <janina> sh: Able Gamers
13:08:22 <janina> sh: Can do some digging to see whether anything exists
13:08:40 <janina> js: We should feel free to include open questions we believe are meritorious
13:09:48 <janina> jgw: S[pecific example was physically moving around well beyond movements to control a mouse, more like daily life movements
13:13:08 <janina> jgw: Notes larger context is now the VR Workshop in December in Brussels:
13:13:30 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/webvr-authoring-workshop/
13:14:16 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests we have material that we wish to add, but this is timely as we expect Shadi may be in a position to represent our work at the WebVR workshop.
13:17:31 <janina> Wikipedia about Able Gamers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_AbleGamers_Foundation
13:18:15 <scott_h> AbleGamers Includification: https://www.includification.com/
13:19:08 <scott_h> Includification likely to have overlap with VR accessibility, especially with multiple interface,
13:19:46 <janina> jgw: Wonders whether we're exposing requirements on VR toolkits
13:22:56 <janina> jb: Suggest inviting Shadi and Dom to refine our focus specifically for the Workshop?
13:23:44 <jasonjgw> Janina: it's useful to find the right fit for the workshop of what we've developed, given the workshop's role in shaping ongoing VR activity at W3C.
13:25:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:25:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update: questions posed to Web Authentication Working Group and meeting arrangements at TPAC 2017." taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:26:36 <janina> jgw: Notes specific APA review has been requested
13:26:57 <janina> jgw: Janina requested joint meeting at TPAC based on our 4 questions
13:27:34 <jasonjgw> Janina will continue discussions with Web Authentication WG with a view to a joint meeting at TPAC.
13:29:04 <janina> jgw: Notes we're invited to review the spec
13:31:01 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that she and I read the draft of this Web Authentication specification previously and suggests we should review it again. It's also relevant to work of the COGA Task Force, who will be invited to participate in the review.
13:33:02 <janina> jgw: Notes that authentication is an increasing issue in multiple environments currently
13:33:13 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:33:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update: revision of W3C Working Group Note, "Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA"." taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:35:21 <jasonjgw> Janina is working on the draft. The material gathered by this Task Force provides additional information beyond what was already in the draft. It isn't clear waht to retain from the existing document (e.g., the discussion of federated identities as offering potentially valuable solutions).
13:39:51 <janina> sh: 1: Not that secure, especially any longer
13:40:12 <janina> sh: 2: Dev direction may make more inaccessible, image comparison
13:40:23 <janina> sh: 3: I am not a robot checkbox seems most accessible
13:40:53 <janina> sh: 4: Different authentication methods have emerged that could replace
13:41:53 <janina> jgw: Notes there are captcha service providers that can be used as third parties
13:42:16 <janina> jgw: Role needs to be to identify the human i.e. interaction proof but not identify much about the human
13:43:40 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests that a secondary sharing of data - attestation that the user with a given identity - is human, may be a useful feature of a federated identity service.
13:45:32 <janina> sh: Back around 2011 social media required captcha, but no longer
13:46:07 <Judy> q+
13:46:51 <janina> jgw: Noting federated identity works to promote the service provider, in addition to the individual's advantage
13:48:08 <janina> RQTF Report at: http://w3c.github.io/rqtf/captcha-notes.html
13:49:06 <jasonjgw> Janina inquires whether we found background rationale for Google's current appraoch to captcha.
13:57:04 <janina> jb: How we use examples should be considered. Should at minimum start from general approach
13:57:34 <janina> sh: Notes gamining example, esp people unaccustomed to Latin charsets
13:58:32 <janina> jgw: Notes that any lit discussion of examples would call out pros and cons
14:01:27 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:01:27 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
14:01:33 <janina> q?
14:01:41 <janina> ack j
14:01:44 <janina> zakim, next item
14:01:44 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Other topics of interest." taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:02:07 <janina> sh: WoT results delayed. Not sure when, now.
14:03:48 <janina> sh: Can talk about lit review, but not interviews and subject research
14:06:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:06:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, MichaelC, Judy
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14:06:29 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/11-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
14:06:46 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, bye
14:06:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items