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15:01:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:09 <trackbot> Date: 10 October 2017
15:02:24 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
15:05:14 <dbooth> Present: David Booth, Tony Mallia
15:10:55 <dbooth> Topic: Semantic MediaWiki for structured healthcare data (Tony Mallia)
15:11:07 <dbooth> Present+ Gopi
15:12:11 <dbooth> tony: This grew out of FHIR RDF work.
15:14:58 <dbooth> Present+ EricP
15:16:41 <dbooth> tony: Trying a binding simplification
15:16:54 <dbooth> ... Built a small EHR to test it out
15:17:47 <dbooth> ... Patient-Patient link (I think) is to say that two patients are the same person.
15:21:09 <dbooth> ... We can also find a valueset.   Head of SNOMED tree is substance.
15:21:31 <dbooth> ... But it is also a subclass of FHIR:AllergyIntolerance.
15:21:47 <dbooth> ... I used Semantic MediaWiki to try this out.
15:22:14 <dbooth> ... I had used it for other things
15:22:44 <dbooth> ... Classess are called Categories in Semantic MediaWiki.
15:23:03 <dbooth> ... Nice thing is that the templates include SPARQL-like queries.
15:23:14 <dbooth> ... and they define visual presentation.
15:23:25 <dbooth> ... Took me less than a week to do this!
15:23:31 <dbooth> ... Exceptional productivity.
15:23:50 <dbooth> ... It implements some of the OMG MDA concepts.
15:24:35 <dbooth> ... Gartner measured productivity gain as 23x with tooling from a Spanish company using Semantic MediaWiki.
15:25:58 <dbooth> (Tony starts demo)
15:28:58 <dbooth> tony: Health record is generated from the query
15:31:43 <dbooth> ... Can even do chained properties with inverse properties, in the queries.
15:33:24 <dbooth> ... For valueset codes, we can even display the definition when you hover over.
15:34:42 <dbooth> ... You can select semantic codes.
15:35:23 <dbooth> ... I've shown Clinical Status class as the root, but you can tell it to have no root instead.
15:36:26 <dbooth> ... Mouse-over can also be used for explaining various fields.
15:37:02 <dbooth> ... The record is categories as a FHIR AllergyIntolerance.
15:37:12 <dbooth> ... The platform will list them all.
15:38:09 <dbooth> ... I can also add things that are like properties.
15:39:07 <dbooth> ... Pages are sort of like blank nodes.
15:40:33 <dbooth> eric: Any idea of scalability?  All of snomed?
15:41:47 <dbooth> tony: Some public sites seem to be large.  I don't see a scalability problem, because you're on top of MediaWiki.
15:42:12 <dbooth> ... It has pages and triples.
15:42:46 <dbooth> ... This triplestore is on top of mysql, but you can do other storage underneath.
15:43:05 <dbooth> gopi: Can you query using SPARQL?
15:43:15 <dbooth> tony: It is SPARQL-like, but not SPARQL.
15:45:10 <dbooth> dbooth: How do you see this being used?  What would be the best use of it?
15:46:01 <dbooth> tony: I'm trying this out for publishing a paper.  There's a cross-over from wiki to 4GL language, and an informatics community can use it.   No programming needed.
15:46:43 <dbooth> ... I think we are about to have a revolution in software.  Anywhere that you use spreadsheets etc for knowledge, it could be done this way.
15:46:53 <dbooth> ... I suspect this could be a new platform for developing EHRs.
15:47:03 <dbooth> ... Don't know who will pick it up.
15:47:37 <dbooth> ... Huge reduction in the dev cost.
15:47:50 <dbooth> ... There will be lots of resistance from status quo vendors.
15:48:39 <dbooth> Present+ Rob_Hausam
15:51:47 <dbooth> tony: This can also support inter-wiki communication.
15:53:02 <dbooth> ... To pull allergies from other providers.
15:54:27 <dbooth> dbooth: Plan to do more with this?
15:54:36 <dbooth> tony: Submit for publication.
15:55:32 <dbooth> ... Then look for sponsorship.
15:57:19 <dbooth> dbooth: You put in some FHIR things manually.  If this were done seriously, then  all of the FHIR structure definitions, valuesets, etc., could be loaded programmatically.
15:58:19 <dbooth> tony: Yes, though there would be a versioning issue when the FHIR spec changes.
15:59:33 <dbooth> ... Currently looking at styles to use for transformations.
16:02:00 <dbooth> tony: For CRUD on complex graph structures, this is very good.
16:04:26 <dbooth> gopi: Using an RDF triplestore?
16:04:44 <dbooth> tony: It puts them in mysql right now, but can be configured with a real triplestore.
16:04:59 <dbooth> https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:SPARQLStore/RepositoryConnector/Generic
16:07:14 <dbooth> dbooth: I could see it being used for data capture similar to Red Cap: https://www.project-redcap.org/ such as surveys.
16:08:36 <dbooth> ... Value that I see is in being able to rapidly create new data capture forms, for structured data capture, but have them properly semantically linked to existing records.
16:10:30 <dbooth> gopi: OpenEHR has a collaboration with Marant (in Slovenia), have a platform to create a model in OpenEHR, export to their platform, and it creates the forms.
16:10:49 <dbooth> ... This may be able to do something similar.
16:12:17 <dbooth> tony: Once you've built your ont with a language, you're stuck with that language.  I suspect there is opportunity for standardizing it.
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16:43:25 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:43:25 <Zakim> Present: David, Booth, Tony, Mallia, Gopi, EricP, Rob_Hausam
16:43:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see dbooth, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, ericP
16:51:01 <dbooth> i|ADJOURNED|Screenshots and slides from Tony's demo: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2017Oct/0002.html
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