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13:59:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
13:59:07 <trackbot> Date: 09 October 2017
13:59:19 <Wilco> agenda+ How to represent manual test steps    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/104    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/112
13:59:27 <Wilco> agenda+ Should we have fewer input types    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/109
13:59:35 <Wilco> agenda+ Do we need cannot-tell results    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/69
14:04:13 <shadi> chair: shadi
14:05:01 <shadi> chair: Wilco
14:05:04 <shadi> scribe: shadi
14:06:35 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:06:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "How to represent manual test steps    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/104    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/112" taken up [from Wilco]
14:16:20 <shadi> saz: issue is how to specify tools that support a procedure without hard-coding specific tools into the procedures
14:17:50 <shadi> anne: tools list?
14:18:06 <shadi> saz: doesn't currently provide this level of granularity
14:20:39 <shadi> ...years ago we were thinking of mapping tools to WCAG SCs but now we have the rules as well
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14:21:46 <anne_thyme> present+
14:22:08 <shadi> wilco: is this part of the spec?
14:22:38 <shadi> saz: not sure
14:22:41 <shadi> anne: +1
14:22:59 <shadi> wilco: think maybe not - more process than format
14:23:38 <shadi> action: saz to respond to commenter about "tools support" section in test rules
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14:25:21 <shadi> present+
14:25:24 <shadi> present+ wilco
14:25:35 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/rules/ACT-R2.html
14:28:04 <shadi> wilco: should this be part of the format?
14:28:42 <shadi> anne: specifies implementation while we agreed the need for more flexibility
14:29:03 <shadi> ...maybe specific more independently
14:35:58 <shadi> saz: seems like the "user profile" and "context" are the essential attributes for a check
14:36:29 <shadi> ...default assumption is checks are syntax-based and require no context knowledge
14:37:08 <shadi> ...if a check requires semantic verification or context knowledge, then it may require particular input
14:37:28 <shadi> ...not necessarily user input, could also be AI or so
14:37:47 <shadi> anne: sounds like requirements or properties for the checks
14:40:21 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/rules/ACT-R3.html
14:40:41 <shadi> wilco: if we add properties to checks, would that be a pre-defined list?
14:44:03 <shadi> saz: rather than "requires sight" and "requires hearing", something more independent like "requires visual verification" or such
14:44:13 <shadi> anne: could become a long list
14:44:58 <shadi> wilco: binary?
14:45:26 <shadi> saz: could be multiple properties
14:45:40 <shadi> wilco: but each binary or can there be more?
14:47:12 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/rules/ACT-R3.html
14:47:19 <Wilco>  | User profile | Requires <sight / hearing / fine motor control / HTML Knowledge / Accessibility knowledge / ...> | context      | yes | Optional | Interaction  | yes | Optional
14:52:42 <shadi> saz: interaction includes form submissions?
14:52:49 <shadi> wilco: type of interaction
14:53:26 <shadi> anne: would be good to be able to distinguish between tests that require scripting vs not
14:54:10 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:54:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Should we have fewer input types    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/109" taken up [from Wilco]
14:54:52 <shadi> anne: maybe we can write-up something for group discussion
14:55:32 <shadi> ...within next two weeks
14:56:15 <shadi> wilco: 19th october?
14:56:20 <shadi> anne: sounds good
14:56:32 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:56:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Do we need cannot-tell results    https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/69" taken up [from Wilco]
15:00:09 <shadi> saz: have not applicable already in EARL
15:00:29 <shadi> ...but not supported by WCAG, so need to be careful
15:00:40 <shadi> ...also think need to keep cannot tell
15:00:53 <shadi> wilco: yes, comes up fairly frequently
15:01:10 <shadi> ...maybe able to ditch, but do we want to?
15:01:16 <shadi> anne: to be continued
15:01:40 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:01:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:01:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been anne_thyme, shadi, wilco
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15:01:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz to respond to commenter about "tools support" section in test rules [1]
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