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16:59:48 <MichaelC> agenda?
17:00:23 <clapierre> present+
17:00:28 <janina> present+
17:00:36 <clapierre> chair: clapierre
17:00:39 <MichaelC> present+
17:00:42 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0005.html
17:00:42 <Roy> present+
17:01:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC
17:01:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ How to treat immature sections (see the survey)
17:01:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ Which sections should we focus on?
17:01:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ Do we want it as a vocabulary?
17:01:13 <MichaelC> agenda+ Let me know if you would like me to add anything else to the agenda that you would like us to discuss.
17:02:20 <AndyHeath> having trouble with my audio - was on a badly-configured call earlier today and its screwed it all up - no sound so far
17:03:43 <AndyHeath> present+
17:03:51 <lisa> scribe:  AndyHeath
17:03:58 <lisa> (think you...)
17:04:15 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:04:36 <AndyHeath> Updates on TPAC on WIki Page
17:05:02 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki
17:06:15 <MichaelC> s/Updates on TPAC on WIki Page//
17:06:20 <clapierre> here are the architectural issues. https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Architectural-issues
17:07:35 <AndyHeath> Trying to scehdule a meeting with CSS and APA
17:08:40 <AndyHeath> Janina: Need a joint meeting with CSS - should be prepared to move ahead with Media Queries ASAP
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17:11:52 <AndyHeath> Janina : if we are lucky we may get 10 minutes of the joint hour
17:12:42 <clapierre> Meeting will be on Tues 11am - 12pm
17:13:06 <AndyHeath> We might need an Accessibility API mappings document
17:14:35 <AndyHeath> Janina and charles will prusue privately
17:14:45 <AndyHeath> s/prusue/pursue
17:15:00 <clapierre> zakim, next item
17:15:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:15:06 <clapierre> q?
17:15:20 <AndyHeath> they will both pursue making arrangements with the others neded
17:15:28 <AndyHeath> s/neded/needed/
17:15:52 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Note the architecture page is up on the wiki
17:17:29 <AndyHeath> Lisa and Charles to discuss a meeting someolace at TPAC for a perosnliation meeting
17:18:19 <AndyHeath> s/p13n-call/personalisation/
17:18:36 <AndyHeath> discussion about callins.
17:18:49 <AndyHeath> the APA group will have callins
17:19:32 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: Personalizaton TF https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization
17:20:25 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/08Oct2017immature-sections/results
17:20:36 <clapierre> agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:20:36 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
17:20:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:20:58 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
17:20:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:21:08 <MichaelC> q+
17:21:31 <AndyHeath> Survey on editors notes - conclusion is yes
17:22:16 <AndyHeath> Michael: instead of “at risk: say something less formal
17:22:38 <AndyHeath> Gregg: “Section” is unclear
17:22:42 <clapierre> q?
17:23:18 <MichaelC> ack me
17:23:40 <AndyHeath> Michael: we will agree pragmatically
17:24:19 <clapierre> zakim, take up item 3
17:24:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:24:38 <lisa> q+
17:24:43 <clapierre> ack lisa
17:25:55 <AndyHeath> Lisa: we should maybe request people for next week to flag what is immature and what mature
17:26:30 <AndyHeath> Lisa: there is some kind of prioritisation needed
17:26:51 <clapierre> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
17:27:39 <lisa> q?
17:28:18 <AndyHeath> Survey for next week - one survey question for each section with what implementations they foresee - want real data not guesswork
17:28:29 <AndyHeath> q+
17:28:45 <AndyHeath> q-
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17:29:13 <AndyHeath> start it as a servey then maybe copy some to wiki page later
17:29:21 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:29:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Do we want it as a vocabulary?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:29:21 <AndyHeath> s/servey/survey/
17:29:25 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0006.html
17:29:25 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
17:31:25 <AndyHeath> Michale’s proposal: restrucrued semantics as a vocabulary
17:32:06 <AndyHeath> Lots of restructuiring. Michael summarised his proposal
17:32:22 <AndyHeath> Easiest to see the changes from the table of contatcs
17:32:34 <AndyHeath> s/contatcs/contents/
17:32:34 <lisa> Q?
17:32:40 <clapierre> q+
17:34:55 <AndyHeath> q+
17:35:54 <AndyHeath> q-
17:35:59 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/
17:37:28 <AndyHeath> Discussion of how the vocabularly can work with ARIA and say microdata
17:39:18 <clapierre> Note: Discuss at TPAC whether or not to use aria- per- coga- etc.
17:40:36 <AndyHeath> The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation
17:41:42 <AndyHeath> s/The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation/ the meaning of the vocabulary terms is independent from the way they are implemented in different formats/
17:42:02 <AndyHeath> +1 for this
17:42:40 <clapierre> q?
17:42:41 <lisa> q?
17:42:43 <AndyHeath> Andy: the preffxes can come later
17:42:49 <clapierre> ack clapierre
17:43:20 <clapierre> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
17:43:40 <AndyHeath> Charles: for Schema.org it is similar
17:44:15 <AndyHeath> Do we expect something similar for this ?
17:44:33 <AndyHeath> Michael: we should be compatible with Schema.org
17:44:57 <AndyHeath> q+
17:45:33 <AndyHeath> q-
17:46:20 <AndyHeath> q+
17:46:54 <AndyHeath> Michael - it should be all value pairs
17:48:11 <AndyHeath> Discussion of the model of value pairs and scope of the work
17:50:26 <lisa> q?
17:52:37 <clapierre> ack A
17:53:24 <lisa> q+
17:54:04 <clapierre> ack lisa
17:54:44 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Logs is a problem
17:56:19 <AndyHeath> Michwel: its do-able but no in a way that supports intrinsic validation
17:56:36 <AndyHeath> s/Michwel/Michael/
17:57:30 <lisa> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/#log-usage-examples
17:58:31 <AndyHeath> Michael: all this stuff can eb done with a vocab but what can’t be done is automatic validation
17:59:12 <clapierre> q?
17:59:44 <GreggVan_> q+
18:00:31 <clapierre> ack G
18:00:35 <AndyHeath> Topic for the next round - what can’t be done with a vocab
18:01:00 <lisa> q+
18:01:29 <AndyHeath> Gregg: what are we doing - is this for wcag or what ?
18:01:45 <clapierre> ack lisa
18:02:41 <AndyHeath> Gregg: Are we creating a technology spec ? There seem to be no implementors in the room
18:02:55 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Pearson and Texthelp are involved
18:03:46 <clapierre> EasyReader
18:03:59 <AndyHeath> Lisa: I also have my own project working on this
18:04:10 <AndyHeath> Charles: EasyReader
18:04:45 <AndyHeath> Survey on at risk sections for next call
18:04:57 <clapierre> rrsagent, make logs public
18:05:04 <clapierre> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:05:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/09-personalization-minutes.html clapierre
18:06:21 <clapierre> rrsagent, please part
18:06:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
18:06:22 <lisa> zakim, please part
18:06:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been clapierre, janina, MichaelC, Roy, AndyHeath
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