IRC log of aria-apg on 2017-10-09
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- Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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- present+
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- present+ JaeunJemmaKu
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-9%2C-2017-Meeting
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- scribe: AnnAbbott
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- MK: essential editing should be able to be finished by end of month
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- MK: open issues will go into 3Q2017
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- TOPIC: Issue 413 - KeyBoard navigation for xOS
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- Paragraph to discuss: Although users of Mac OS X are familiar with using the Command key instead of the Control key, the Command key is typically reserved for desktop applications and OS-level integration. Until device and platform independence can be addressed in WAI-ARIA 2.0, the primary Control modifier key for WAI-ARIA widget interaction is specified as Control on all platforms,...
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- ...including Mac OS X.
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- MK: doesn't call out difference between Mac OSX and Windows
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- JN: as long as dev has documented what does what, should be good
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- MK: would be more comfortable if a Note calls out the difference via Keyboard section
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- AA: do we really have to document that?
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-9%2C-2017-Meeting
- 17:18:45 [mck]
- present+ matt_king
- 17:20:39 [AnnAbbott]
- AA: can't we point them to an Apple doc so we don't have to maintain?
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- JK: #2 seems like too much work
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- AA: meat of matter needs to go in the Keyboard section
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- MK: issue also appears in selection pattern/composite
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- BG: would rather leave it up to the browser
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- BG: more important to list what controls widget type
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- MK: doesn't feel like that paragraph can remain in published version
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- in spin button it says:
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- ◦ Standard single line text field keys, such as Left Arrow, Right Arrow, Shift + Left Arrow, Shift + Right Arrow, and Delete, for cursor movement, selecting
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- text, and text deletion.
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- Proposal: Supports standard text input, editing, and selection keys based on browser support for native HTML input type text or contenteditable.
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- MK: and delete paragraph in question entirely
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- AA: agree
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- JG: agree
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- MK: where text input is mentioned, use Proposal and remove mention of specific key
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- Action 1 above
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- Error finding '1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/users>.
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- 2) write mapping section, then add Note here it pertains
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- TOPIC: Issue 47: Add note addressing validation errors resulting from aria-expanded on menuitem elements to Menu and Menubar patterns and examples
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
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- Currently, using aria-expanded on elements with role menuitem triggers HTML validation errors because the ARIA specification does not yet support doing
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- so. The ARIA working group plans to resolve this issue in the next version of the specification. Until a version of ARIA that resolves
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- the issue
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- becomes a W3C recommendation, it is safe to ignore these validation errors. Alternatively, since only a few browser and assistive technology combinations
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- exploit this feature of the pattern, it can be omitted from implementations.
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- AA & JN agree
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#menu
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- MK: will add Note and aria-expanded to 2.16 also
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- MK: also contains bold text to see note below
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- AA: completed review of scrollable listbox
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- JK: done with combobox review
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/464
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- MK: Oct 30 deadline for review of doc prior to publish notification
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- MK: 7-day CFC end of Nov planned
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- MK: need to be DONE by 10/23 which will allow for bug cleanup early Nov
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- MK: hold off on carousel example
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- MK: wants 1.0 combobox pattern included if possible
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- JG: will try
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