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17:08:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Authentication Working Group Teleconference
17:08:01 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2017
17:08:09 <jcj_moz> present+ jcj_moz
17:08:23 <jeffh> present+ jeffh
17:08:38 <elundberg> present+ elundberg
17:08:47 <jfontana> present+ jfontana
17:08:54 <apowers> present+ apowers
17:09:03 <apowers> sec, getting a GTM
17:09:34 <jfontana> are we restricted from using a GTM channel?
17:10:10 <Rolf> present+
17:10:35 <apowers> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/171358933
17:11:16 <jfontana> can everyone get into the GTM?
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17:11:46 <jfontana> we are moving to this URL https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/171358933
17:12:24 <Rolf> .. since webex didn't work properly today
17:13:00 <jeffh> am waiting for Rae Hayward's screen....
17:13:30 <John_Bradley> on the goto meeting;
17:13:58 <jeffh> cannot hear anything as yet tho my local audio works
17:13:59 <jyasskin> present+
17:14:02 <kpaulh> present+
17:14:49 <WD07> present+
17:14:56 <jeffh> "connecting to audio......"
17:15:15 <jfontana> audio restored
17:16:03 <jfontana> Tony: At FIDO meeting last week. Some things were moved along at FIDO, CTAP to RD3
17:16:17 <jfontana> Tony:
17:16:47 <jfontana> if somebody objects to an off-cycle meeting we can't hold it as a W3C meeting. it will have to be private.
17:17:08 <jfontana> Tony: does anyone object to another meeting in a week and having it be official W3C
17:17:30 <jfontana> dial in services provided by Christiaan/Google
17:18:21 <jfontana> Tony: are there any objections?
17:18:50 <jfontana> Tony not hearing any. No objections for face-to-face and phone in. I will put it on mailing list and ask again for objections
17:19:56 <jfontana> Christiaan: I will send the details to the group
17:20:05 <jfontana> thanks jeffh
17:20:51 <jfontana> Tony: we will have a normal call on Wed. also
17:21:37 <apowers> sorry, what's the date / time / location for the off-cycle meeting?
17:22:01 <jfontana> lost audio
17:22:46 <jfontana> back with audio
17:23:22 <jfontana> can someone enter the issue being discussed.
17:23:47 <akshayku> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/498
17:23:59 <jfontana> thank you
17:24:21 <jfontana> 539:
17:25:36 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/539
17:25:48 <jfontana> PR will be reviewed by JeffH, others.
17:26:42 <jfontana> 544: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/544
17:27:13 <jfontana> Tony: complete the part in FIDO land...where do we stand with changes that M.Jones requested
17:27:27 <elundberg> weren't we on 558?
17:28:09 <jfontana> Christiaan  I made changes a few days ago
17:28:10 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/558
17:28:20 <jfontana> tony: jeffH you want to review
17:28:47 <jfontana> Christiaan: I am picking userhandle people love it
17:28:54 <jfontana> JeffH: sounds good to me.
17:29:05 <jfontana> Christiaan: I am merging
17:29:29 <jfontana> 582: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/582
17:29:42 <jfontana> tony: restore the name back to normal
17:30:28 <jfontana> christiaan: Dirk will work on the mapping
17:31:24 <jfontana> Tony: this will be in RD04 CTAP
17:31:30 <jfontana> Tony: can we close this
17:31:35 <jfontana> jeffH: fine by me.
17:31:49 <jfontana> Christiaan: can we keep it open until we have PR in CTAP land
17:31:52 <jfontana> Tony: OK
17:32:18 <jfontana> 597: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/597
17:32:30 <jfontana> Tony: this is rolf's
17:33:42 <jfontana> Rolf : allows the sig counter or signature generated nonce
17:33:53 <jfontana> ....I think it is ready.
17:34:04 <jfontana> ....if I get all the conflicts I am done
17:34:09 <jfontana> tony: we moving it?
17:34:10 <Rolf> I think it is ready to go
17:34:41 <jfontana> rolf: 597 was a FIDO decision, I think most would prefer this one
17:34:50 <jfontana> ....give the green light and I will merge
17:34:54 <jfontana> tony: any objections
17:35:09 <jfontana> rolf : 597 is better than alternative
17:35:32 <Rolf> 597 was preferred over 539
17:35:39 <jfontana> close 539?
17:36:10 <jfontana> JeffH: fine by me, if everyone is comfortable.
17:36:21 <jfontana> Akshay: lets close 539
17:36:30 <jfontana> tony: rolf can you do that and fix 597 issues
17:36:39 <jfontana> tony: and let jeffH review
17:36:47 <jfontana> JeffH: happy to look at it.
17:37:35 <jfontana> tony some issues for wd07, about 30 open issues.
17:37:53 <jfontana> ....still tremendous issue on cancel
17:38:07 <jfontana> ..do we have a conclusion on cancel
17:38:20 <jfontana> jeffH: you are referring to PR 544?
17:38:22 <jfontana> toney: yes
17:38:34 <jfontana> ....we need to wait for angelo on this
17:38:40 <jfontana> ....we have issue 316
17:38:48 <jfontana> ...stil an issue JC?
17:39:17 <jeffh> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/316
17:39:53 <jfontana> jcjone: we still need to solve it.
17:40:01 <jfontana> tony: it is not a breaking choice
17:40:19 <jfontana> jcjones: I don't think we need to hold wd07 hostage for it
17:40:32 <jfontana> tony: i am moving it off.
17:40:54 <jfontana> akshay: can we move to the breakage first
17:41:18 <weiler> present+ weiler
17:41:21 <jfontana> tony: breaking change , a couple 547 and 584...do 584 first
17:41:40 <jfontana> ....there is desireccccccegihhntgcrbguhbgrgijdvngngvibtnjrlcrun
17:42:08 <jfontana> sorry about that :-(
17:42:35 <jfontana> rolf: this would be a new attestation type in the end
17:42:41 <jfontana> ...we have to think that through
17:43:07 <jfontana> akshay: what he is saying just have two different signatures.
17:43:44 <jfontana> ...we do not have agreement what this thing should look like
17:46:03 <jfontana> christiaan: what are we breaking here?
17:46:42 <jfontana> akshay: we can do it here, my concern is we can look at it and have discussion.
17:46:54 <jfontana> ...on ething is prvacy, onthing is how sig comes up.
17:47:16 <jfontana> ...I want this privacy CA
17:47:21 <weiler> present+ AkshayKumar, battre, John_Bradley, nadalin
17:47:49 <jfontana> ...
17:48:44 <jfontana> jbradley: if we change privacy of attestation we might have unintended consequences
17:48:54 <jfontana> ...it probably needs its own security analysis
17:49:04 <jfontana> jeffH: i tend ot agree with that
17:49:26 <jfontana> tony: hearing  we should open a new issues for new attestation format and not changing the format we have
17:49:32 <jfontana> akshay: yes.
17:49:51 <jfontana> tony: Christiaan, do you object?
17:50:10 <jfontana> Christiaan: I will see if there are any, i can't think of any right now
17:50:33 <jfontana> ...an issues
17:50:34 <jfontana> akshay: thanks
17:51:59 <jfontana> thanks for clarification jeffH
17:56:26 <jfontana> don't do anything with 584 open up a new issue
17:56:56 <jfontana> tony: 547 , where does dirk or google stand on this
17:57:41 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/547
17:58:19 <jfontana> jcjones: I'm not an expert, but I think this is OK.
17:58:44 <jfontana> tony: christiaan can you check with dirk and close this issue?
17:58:51 <jfontana> Christiaan: yes
17:59:08 <jfontana> tony: I think these are the two issues that are potentially breaking
17:59:25 <jfontana> ...looks like we can close one, and a new format may mean the other is not breaking
17:59:31 <jfontana> akshay: OK
17:59:36 <jfontana> tony: we are out of tiem.
18:01:16 <jfontana> apowers: first..... second, maybe interop in Nov. (CTAP)
18:01:35 <jfontana> missed the first, can anyone add.
18:01:50 <jfontana> tony: maybe host in Seattle
18:02:23 <jfontana> tony: i would like to see wd08 interop so shortly after TPAC we can have some wd08 implementations that interop.
18:02:46 <jfontana> ...Christiaan can you think about hosting a second interop.
18:03:05 <jfontana> apowers. FIDO approved CTAP for publication. We will do that.
18:03:19 <jfontana> tony: i should be in a public spot. make sure everyone can get at it.
18:03:36 <jfontana> tony: apowers can you post a link on the W3C WebAuthN mailing list
18:03:40 <jfontana> apowers: will do.
18:04:04 <jfontana> tony: we need to make a reference to it in the WebAuthN spec
18:04:16 <jfontana> cse
18:04:18 <jfontana> close
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