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14:02:31 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG - TF-LD
14:02:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Dave_Raggett, Maria_Poveda, Michael_Koster, Taki_Kamiya
14:05:14 <kaz> present+ Darko_Anicic
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14:07:27 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
14:07:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Maria_Poveda
14:07:40 <DarkoAnicic> present+ DarkoAnicic
14:07:59 <kaz> scribenick: mariapoveda
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14:08:48 <mariapoveda> 1) proposals for plugfest
14:09:23 <kaz> present+ Maxime_Lefrançois
14:09:48 <kaz> present+ Aparna_Thuluva
14:10:51 <mariapoveda> In the TD call the use of capabilities of serviants in the plugfest has been discussed
14:11:09 <mariapoveda> we will have TD semantically enriched
14:11:40 <mariapoveda> search could be done
14:11:57 <mariapoveda> still a challenge to be used
14:12:17 <kaz> -> @@@Darko's slides on "Web of Things - Thing Description Recipes"
14:12:33 <mariapoveda> second scenario about the use of recipes for search
14:12:59 <mariapoveda> you can also search for recipes, they are stored in the same format
14:13:14 <kaz> q?
14:14:23 <kaz> [Kaz will add the link to these slides later]
14:16:06 <mariapoveda> Darko shows an example of recipe about motion detector light switch
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14:18:11 <mjkoster> q?
14:18:16 <mjkoster> q+
14:19:14 <mariapoveda> explanation of the workflow for the recipe implementation
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14:20:17 <kaz> q?
14:20:20 <kaz> ack mj
14:22:00 <dsr> present+
14:22:23 <mariapoveda> mkoster: question about subscriptions, input and actions
14:22:27 <mjkoster> ack m
14:24:50 <mariapoveda> ?:question about loading the script in the devices
14:25:22 <dsr> q+
14:25:23 <mariapoveda> participants are supposed to implement and deploy, quite manually
14:28:25 <kaz> q+
14:28:27 <kaz> ack d
14:28:36 <mariapoveda> dave: how do I retrieve and classify motion devices according to their capabilities? are there slides about that ?
14:29:26 <mariapoveda> darko: we could show different lamps available and related capabilities, and do the discover and browse their features somehow
14:29:55 <mariapoveda> dave: use taxonomies? scripts?
14:31:24 <mariapoveda> mkoster: triggering a user dialog is an interesting idea
14:32:50 <kaz> q?
14:33:02 <dsr> q+
14:33:06 <kaz> ack k
14:33:11 <mariapoveda> kaz: do you wnat to use the approach in the plugfest?
14:33:16 <mariapoveda> darko: yes
14:36:52 <mjkoster> q?
14:36:59 <mariapoveda> any proposal to bring to the plugfust?
14:37:01 <dsr> ack d
14:37:25 <mariapoveda> kaz, how could I correct the "plugfust" ?
14:37:58 <kaz> s/plugfust/plugfest/
14:38:07 <mariapoveda> thanks
14:39:06 <mariapoveda> 2) Maxime's updates
14:39:36 <mariapoveda> updates on the process to let us agree in decisions to be push to the WG
14:39:39 <mlefranc> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2017Sep/0000.html
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14:41:13 <mjkoster> Sorry, I need to leave now
14:41:17 <mjkoster> Cheers!
14:42:55 <mariapoveda> the td ontology will be a normative reference, part of the recommendation
14:44:03 <mariapoveda> maxime: will be the td ontology a recommendation or a note?
14:44:24 <mariapoveda> darko: rdf documents are not normative aspects
14:45:18 <mariapoveda> kaz: if the document is under the TR we can not update that, but in other area should be
14:45:48 <mariapoveda> kaz: we will need to update the rdf ontology, right?
14:46:12 <dsr> q+ to ask about what process we use to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of alternative ideas? My concern is that ideas need plenty of incubation before a sufficient level of maturity is attained that justifies standardisation.
14:46:35 <mariapoveda> kaz: we can make the ontology itself a normative deliverable
14:46:53 <mariapoveda> kaz: that is kind of dangerous in order to update it
14:47:27 <mariapoveda> darko: the documentation is based on the rdf
14:48:58 <mariapoveda> dave: there is a process for dealing with updates
14:49:13 <mariapoveda> dave: sometimes it is better not to be too prescriptive
14:49:54 <mariapoveda> kaz: is the rdf file part of the deliverable?
14:50:46 <mariapoveda> darko: not really but it feeds the table
14:51:27 <mariapoveda> kaz: we can generate the documentation the based on the rdf regardless where it is located
14:51:56 <kaz> s/darko:/victor:/
14:53:11 <mariapoveda> maxime: in ssn the ontology is not the recommendation
14:54:13 <mariapoveda> q+
14:54:33 <mariapoveda> https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-prov-o-20130430/ in prov-o it is a recommendation
14:54:57 <mariapoveda> but the ontology is in this namespace http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o
14:55:21 <kaz> q?
14:55:24 <kaz> ack d
14:55:24 <Zakim> dsr, you wanted to ask about what process we use to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of alternative ideas? My concern is that ideas need plenty of incubation before a
14:55:26 <kaz> ack m
14:55:28 <Zakim> ... sufficient level of maturity is attained that justifies standardisation.
14:55:30 <kaz> q+
14:56:09 <mariapoveda> dave: it seems to be about maturity in specifications
14:56:59 <mariapoveda> kaz: having the ontology in TR will need more discussion in the general call
14:57:23 <mariapoveda> dave: it can be moved through the process of spceficiation as it gets more mature, used...
14:57:37 <mariapoveda> dave, please let me know if I got your idea wrong
14:58:49 <kaz> s/general call/general call. also if we really want to make the ontology an additional Recommendation, we need to update our Charter/
14:59:17 <kaz> q?
14:59:19 <kaz> ack k
14:59:27 <mariapoveda> maxime shows the case of ssn ontology
15:00:38 <mariapoveda> alignments are not part of the ssn ontology but a separate file
15:02:41 <victor> (Kaz, just for the record, I insisted on the fact that there is no reason to update the RDF file once the Rec is fixed. However, if most Recommendations follow the same process and don't standardize the asocated RDF spec, I'm not against it.)
15:02:58 <DarkoAnicic> thanks Maria for scribing
15:13:19 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
15:13:25 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:13:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:13:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
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