IRC log of wpwg on 2017-09-28

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Meeting: Web Payments WG
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Chair: AdrianHB
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Scribe: Ian
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present+
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present+ rouslan
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present+ MattdeGanon
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agenda: https://github.com/w3c/automotive-pay/wiki/Agenda-20170928
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present+ AdrianHB
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present+
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regrets+ NickTR
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present+ dezell
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https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170928
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Topic: CR status
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Topic: Charter
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https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/charter-2017
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AdrianHB: A few weeks ago we asked people to bring their ideas for charter topics to the call.
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q+
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ack me
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IJ: Matt, do you want to write down recurring payments ideas for FTF meeting?
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Matt: Yes, happy to do this. Tricky topics like parameters, who uses the information, how it is passed to the back end.
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...so I think this goes beyond customer and merchant if it is meant to be useful.
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adrianhb: Some of these topics are pertinent to some payment methods but not all
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...so part of the discussion is whether a feature is for PR API or for a payment method
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present+ Molly
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..it's still worth having these topics in our charter (but how they manifest themselves may vary...PR API or payment method)
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IJ: Is this of sufficient interest to you?
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Matt: Yes
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https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Priority%3A+Postponed%22
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IJ: Andre, if we were to expand data collection, what would be next?
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...you spoke of discount codes before
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alyver: Still discount codes
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...we can demo what we've done to work around lack of discount codes
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IJ: AdrianHB ILP?
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adrianhb: Yes, I plan to write a proposal
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https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-Nov2017
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AdrianHB: How would we express things as in scope in new charter?
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present+ Wonsku
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present+ Wonsuk
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present- Wonsku
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IJ: Can we do a demo of web-based payment apps?
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Topic: Merchant Adoption
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Topic: Payment Handler API
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Capability matching
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https://github.com/w3c/payment-handler/issues/157
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https://github.com/w3c/payment-handler/pull/170
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[IJ reviews history of this]
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Rouslan: We are experimenting with canMakePayment...we've come up with a compromise in discussions with Mozilla
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...the compromise is this:
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- if the merchant requests a W3C-standard payment method (basic card or others)
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...then the browser does the capability matching
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...this means that transaction information is not shared with arbitrary service workers.
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- for URL-based payment methods, we believe it will be best to do a canMakePayment() event unless the user's browser is in incognito mode
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...canMakePayment() responds true in that case
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...we think the concern goes down for proprietary payment methods
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...edge case => payment handler handles both open and proprietary payment methods
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...in this case we plan to adopt the browser-based matching but only on the open standard
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...final issue we need to address: some merchants will be malicious and use this pipe to communicate to some other malicious service worker.
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...I think that private browsing mode is the right solution.
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q?
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Rouslan: We also have the safe browsing database that is shared among browsers
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...we provide guidance to users when they visit those sites
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...I believe the database should take into account abuse of the API
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IJ: Maybe at the end of CR we document in our FAQ any security measures browsers are using
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IJ: Next step?
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Rouslan: Next step for me is to write up a new pull request
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..I could update the patch to do what I've described
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Topic: This meeting time
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Ian: Marcos has requested we adjust this time to accommodate Melbourne time zone
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ACTION: Chairs to discuss meeting time
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IJ: hard problem
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Topic: PR API
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IJ: When do editors next meet?
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Molly: Next weds
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- Todo list from marcos => https://github.com/w3c/payment-method-basic-card/issues/43
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- Basic Card to Note => https://github.com/w3c/payment-method-basic-card/issues/43
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IJ: What can the WG do to help?
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Molly: I will do by email or on the call next week
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Topic: TPAC
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Ian: 40 for WPWG
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...so far
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Topic: Next call
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5 October
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Topic: Automotive Web Payments Task Force
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https://github.com/w3c/automotive-pay/wiki
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IJ: Contact me if interested!
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