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17:58:50 <tzviya> present+
17:59:15 <tzviya> rrsagent, this is EPUBCheck TF
17:59:15 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'this is EPUBCheck TF', tzviya.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:59:36 <tzviya> zakim, this is epubcheck TF
17:59:36 <Zakim> got it, tzviya
17:59:42 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
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18:01:41 <George> Who is here?
18:02:20 <George> v\zakim, who is here
18:02:28 <tzviya> zakim, who is here
18:02:28 <Zakim> tzviya, you need to end that query with '?'
18:02:33 <tzviya> zakim, who is here?
18:02:33 <Zakim> Present: tzviya, George
18:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tobias, George, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Juli_Calderazi, dauwhe
18:06:41 <tzviya> topic: welcome new members
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18:07:18 <tzviya> Heather is a controlled vocab editor and on board of Amer Society for Indexing
18:07:39 <Tobias> present+
18:09:36 <tzviya> Tobias: Working to combine the old Google epubcheck email list with this group. Planning to send an invitation letter to invite them to join the EPUB CG and this TF,
18:10:21 <tzviya> ...We could keep the mailing list open for support and issues, but we should keep clear that work is done in the CG.
18:10:39 <tzviya> George: Would this go to the whole EPUB 3 email list?
18:11:20 <tzviya> Tobias: I think that is a different list - this is the epubcheck email list
18:12:09 <tzviya> Matt: Can we shut down posting? We don't want to close the archive, but we would like to make sure people know where to go.
18:13:38 <tzviya> Tobias: Owners of the group are Peter Sorotokin, Markus Gylling, and Garth Conboy
18:14:08 <tzviya> Tzviya: I will talk to Garth about logistics. Tobias will send an email
18:14:46 <tzviya> topic: changes to github repo
18:14:47 <tzviya> https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/projects/2
18:15:26 <tzviya> https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/wiki/WorkPlan
18:16:47 <tzviya> Tobias:  regarding EPUB 4.0.1 Milestone - if we are going to meet the dates, we need to reassign some of the tasks
18:16:57 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
18:17:43 <tzviya> tobias: WorkPlan was edited a little to enable non-developers to help a little
18:18:16 <tzviya> George: Could non-technical people work under direction of coders?
18:18:22 <tzviya> Tobias: That is the hope
18:18:55 <tzviya> ...We found that the suite clean up was difficult without knowledge of Java
18:19:15 <Juli_Calderazi> u need sample epubs?
18:19:17 <tzviya> ...but, people can rebuild the tiny epub files
18:20:13 <Juli_Calderazi> +q
18:21:20 <tzviya> Tobias: We should probably assign smaller tasks in which devs can interact with volunteers directly
18:21:29 <tzviya> Juli: offers to provide samples
18:22:46 <tzviya> Tobias: This also applies to issue triage. We need to be able to duplicate the problem with an actual epub. Samples would be helpful.
18:23:11 <tzviya> ...Dave Cramer added a minimal sample file to be used for minimal test cases.
18:24:53 <tzviya> topic: 4.1 Milestone
18:25:19 <tzviya> tzviya: What are the items for the release? What can we delegate?
18:25:39 <tzviya> Tobias: Waiting for code review from Romain and one other dev
18:26:28 <tzviya> ...There are 2 other issues remaining - waiting for feedback from Thomas ??? and Matt
18:27:51 <tzviya> ...There are no other outstanding issues, but I think we should go through the bugs and decide whether we should address it in this release
18:28:01 <tzviya> https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/issues
18:28:04 <Tobias> open bugs: https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3A%22bug%22%20
18:28:28 <Tobias> issues which need to be reviewed: https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen%20is%3Aissue%20label%3A%22needs%20review%22%20
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18:29:50 <tzviya> Tzviya: Timeline for maintenance release
18:31:22 <tzviya> present+ rdeltour
18:32:12 <tzviya> rdeltour: release in late october or mid-november
18:32:15 <tzviya> ack j
18:33:51 <tzviya> tzviya: we need to do some marketing with the maintenance release so that people don't freak out about the fact that we don't support EPUB 3.1 yet
18:35:41 <tzviya> tobias: EDRLab has talked about funding this or hiring someone
18:38:34 <tzviya> Tzviya: We need to do some marketing, but none of us are marketers. The message would be something along the lines of "Here's why we are releasing now. Why doesn't it include EPUB 3.1? limited resources. What can you do to help..."
18:41:26 <tzviya> tzviya: Would an EPUB that uses EPUB A11y 1.0 pass epubcheck?
18:42:01 <tzviya> Rdeltour: I'm not sure that epubcheck validates aria roles. If it doesn't then it would pass.
18:42:16 <tzviya> Tzviya:  I will validate a file tomorrow and let rd know
18:43:22 <tzviya> topic: next steps
18:43:41 <tzviya> rdeltour: cleaning the test suite is next
18:43:55 <tzviya> ...but it is not highly critical
18:45:06 <tzviya> rdeltour: What is important is compiling the diff list
18:45:30 <Juli_Calderazi> We'll think about smith with my team down here for marketing with the concepts Tzviya wrote before.
18:45:35 <Tobias> 3.0.1 to 3.1 diff: https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/projects/1
18:47:50 <tzviya> George: What about pinging RickJ to talk about asking IMS for some help with this since they have a dependancy on EPUB?
18:54:39 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
18:54:47 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-epubcheck-minutes.html tzviya
18:55:05 <rdeltour> oh, and btw, EpubCheck *does* ignore DPUB ARIA roles (or any other roles)
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