IRC log of apa on 2017-09-27

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 27 September 2017
15:45:58 [janina]
agenda?
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ TPAC 2017 Planning
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agenda+ Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
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/me Coming up ...
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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ Léonie
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present+
16:08:40 [janina]
present+
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scribe: Léonie
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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JS: Any additions to the agenda?
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... Hearing none. Any news?
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. TPAC 2017 Planning [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 Planning" taken up [from janina]
16:11:05 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
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MC: Please register.
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... You must register if you attend in person.
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... Early registration rate closes next week.
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... Hotel reservations are already difficult to come by.
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JS: Going over the notes on our TPAC page.
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... I presume CSS will look kindly on our request to meet.
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... Also presume we'll need to prep ahead of that meeting.
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... Want to make sure anything we present is done efficiently.
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... Terse summaries to maximise our time with the CSS WG.
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... Co-ordination with ARIA and WebPlat on Input Events.
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... Also the discussion about AOM.
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JMD: Suggest different topics.
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LW: The Editing TF meets on Tuesday, and Web Components on Friday.
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... Meeting planned with ARIA for 11am on Friday already.
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https://github.com/w3c/WebPlatformWG/issues/93
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LW: Please post a comment to request time on that agenda.
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... Our three agendas are found on the WebPlat repo as #93, #94, and #95.
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JS: Tuesday is ok for Input Events for APA.
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... The RQTF has been working away.
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... We sent questions to Web Auth. We haven't received answers though.
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... We hope to meet with them at TPAC to discuss.
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... If ARIA has items to discuss with Web Auth we could join up.
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16:24:21 [janina]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Sep/0003.html
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JMD: We're looking for a joint meting slot?
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JS: Yes, at a time that suits people dialling in from Western Australia.
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JMD: Need to give this some thought.
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... We also have the joint TFs to consider.
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... When you know the time of the RQTF/Web Auth meeting, let me know and we'll attend if we can.
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JS: Ok.
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... Will be looking at version 2 of the Turing paper.
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... The RQTF has been looking at this.
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... RQTF is also looking at WebVR.
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... The WebVR WG will not meet at TPAC though.
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... The RQTF is putting together some questions.
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... We will invite any WebVR people at TPAC to attend our meeting if they wish.
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... WebVR meets in December in Brussels.
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... Would be good to send someone from APA/RQTF if possible.
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... We should have a Coga TF check in.
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... Is there too much happening in AG WG to make a joint meeting possible?
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MC: We might as well try.
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... There will be discussion about new SCs, so representation from the various AG WG TFs seems likely.
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JS: Web Payments.
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... Not sure what to do with this, but think we need to do something.
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... Will continue to try and get hold of Katie.
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MC: Katie is active on some things now.
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... One of their specs went to CR last week.
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... There is clearly work happening, and happening without us.
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LW: Has Shane been active in Web Payments?
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JMD: I know Shane is very busy ATM.
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LW: If he's active there it means we have accessibility knowledge at source.
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JS: The rest of my topics for TPAC focus on procedural areas.
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... It'll be six months since we released the self-assessment tool.
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... Don't think anyone has completed it yet.
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... Should we make it mandatory?
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MC: Don't think it's ready for that.
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... We could make it easier for people to complete.
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... Presented it to team to get input.
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... Had some limited input.
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... We could also use it ourselves when we spec review.
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LW: Could I suggest asking people to complete it when they request wide review?
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... APA is also good at starting reviews before a direct request comes through.
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... So visibility of the form may not be good across chairs.
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JS: Accessibility impact statements in specs.
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... We've received push back, feeling like second class citizens compared to security and privacy.
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MC: We would do a walkthrough of specs that might benefit from it.
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... It seems that now even when there are no security/privacy concerns, those sections are still present in the specs.
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... Pushback has often been that the sections should not just point to another spec like WCAG.
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... So if that isn't what's included, what should be?
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... If we can figure that out it might help.
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JS: Maybe point to specific SCs?
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MC: Problem is that specs are not often/always related to web content.
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LW: Is it worth drawing a sample of security/privacy sections in specs, in case we can learn something from the kind of information they include?
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JS: I can do that.
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ACTION: Janina to review a sample of specifications to analyse their security and privacy sections.
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Created ACTION-2150 - Review a sample of specifications to analyse their security and privacy sections. [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-10-04].
16:55:58 [tink]
... There is APIs with no descriptions.
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... Also Notes that go out without time for comments.
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MC: We've discussed this within the team.
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... I'm not sure what APA can do in relation to either of these items though.
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LW: Is there anything that could be done within the Process about the Notes?
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MC: My analysis is that the Process allows Notes to go out without drafts.
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... Suspect it'd be unlikely we'd be able to change the Process.
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... Maybe best practices instead.
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JS: Perhaps someting to discuss with Judy, or the AB?
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MC: Or the TPAC Wednesday break out sessions?
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LW: Worth reaching out to the other horizontal review WGs?
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MC: Not sure.
17:00:05 [MichaelC]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Jun/0003.html
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zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, TPAC 2017 Planning, closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled" taken up [from janina]
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JS: Anne and someone else from WWG will attend a telecon.
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LW: I might have a conflict for that meeting now. Will check.
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 5
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agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
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MC: Permissions is a new security spec.
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JS: Want to look at that, but can think about it next week.
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MC: Nothing that can't ait a week.
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chair: Janina
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