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13:52:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:52:44 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2017
13:53:03 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Sep/0022.html
13:53:07 <MichaelC> chair: Jan_McSorley
13:53:21 <MichaelC> regrets: Lisa_Seeman-Kestenbaum, Mike_Pluke
13:53:37 <MichaelC> agenda+ Techniques for WCAG 2.1 support
13:53:46 <MichaelC> agenda+ Comments on the Education and outreach document
13:57:11 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
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14:01:42 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC, John_Kirkwood, John_Rochford
14:02:37 <MichaelC> present+ Andy_Heath
14:03:59 <MichaelC> present+ Jan_McSorley
14:04:07 <kirkwood> present+
14:04:21 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
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14:06:28 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
14:07:18 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
14:07:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Techniques for WCAG 2.1 support" taken up [from MichaelC]
14:07:29 <Jan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit# - Techniques
14:07:51 <MichaelC> jms: ^ for techniques info
14:08:01 <Jan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit# - understandings document
14:08:15 <MichaelC> ^ for understanding material with some info about techniques
14:08:30 <MichaelC> LS says we should look at WCAG 2.0 techniques for examples of techniques
14:08:41 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:10:57 <MichaelC> sample technique in the Timeouts (2) in above doc
14:11:48 <MichaelC> when to use, description, examples, test, related techniques
14:12:21 <MichaelC> I´m unclear if there is enough technical info
14:12:29 <MichaelC> should we get feedback from developers?
14:14:00 <MichaelC> is this enough?
14:14:11 <MichaelC> can we ask AG participants for feedback?
14:14:15 <MichaelC> mc: sounds ok
14:14:25 <MichaelC> hard to say if this is technical
14:14:31 <MichaelC> the SC is inherently not super technical
14:14:45 <MichaelC> but the technique not clear about what it says to do beyond the SC wording
14:15:01 <MichaelC> jms: maybe we can hash through the authentication technique
14:15:15 <MichaelC> and get a feel for what makes a technical technique
14:16:25 <MichaelC> jr: we pulled some of this from the Understanding doc
14:17:03 <MichaelC> jms: let´s go back to top, accessible authentication
14:17:44 <JohnRochford> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit
14:18:07 <MichaelC> in Understanding, there are 3 techniques proposed
14:18:21 <JohnRochford> That URL is the understanding doc for the Accessible Authentication SC
14:18:26 <MichaelC> so we need to create a full technique for each, for now just one
14:20:18 <JohnRochford> Actually, that URL is for all SC
14:21:01 <MichaelC> JR, can you nominate a part of the Understanding to nominate as a technique?
14:21:25 <MichaelC> jr: ¨essential steps which don´t rely on transcribing¨
14:22:51 <MichaelC> mc: that´s general understanding content, might need reflection in techniques, but we should look at the techniques section fornow
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14:23:54 <Pietro> Present+
14:24:12 <MichaelC> jr: a lot of that come from the original issue paper
14:24:27 <MichaelC> mc: suggest we start with the first one, the others need to be translated into technique language
14:26:14 <Jan> Michael:  Techniques should be fairly granular for example, "allowing use of hardware tokens"
14:26:45 <MichaelC> jr: if we get granular, we can´t write every possibility
14:27:34 <MichaelC> mc: we don´t have to document every possibility
14:27:41 <MichaelC> techniques aren´t required to conform to SC
14:27:54 <MichaelC> we document the common ones we can think of, to provide guidance
14:28:10 <MichaelC> should be very concrete for the ones we write up
14:29:47 <MichaelC> ah: there are a lot of possibilities, too many for us to manage
14:29:58 <MichaelC> mc: don´t need to write everything, can add more later
14:30:09 <MichaelC> can document just titles for now, and flesh them out later
14:30:29 <MichaelC> suggest we identify a couple per SC that have biggest bang-for-buck in implementation, or in understanding of the SC
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14:31:27 <MichaelC> jms: having a link sent, simplifying title
14:31:51 <MichaelC> jk: don´t simplify important stuff out
14:32:04 <MichaelC> jr: other techniques cover other situations
14:33:14 <MichaelC> jms: metadata is what?
14:34:08 <MichaelC> mc: least important, it´s about technology technique applies to and whether it´s positive or failure technique
14:41:25 <MichaelC> jms: need some documentation of the technique sections and how to use them
14:41:27 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag/refactoring/wcag20/sources/refactoring/technique-template.html
14:42:24 <MichaelC> mc: will do documentation when I get the techniques set up for WCAG 2.1
14:42:41 <MichaelC> above is template with some instructions I set up a year ago, that Lisa copied from to set up templates in the google doc
14:43:16 <MichaelC> j[k|r]: would help to have a walk-through example along with the instructions
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14:45:37 <MichaelC> mc: note the applicability (when to use) is mostly tautological, it´s something we had in the 2.0 techniques
14:47:58 <MichaelC> jms: now for description, we want to look back at the Understanding draft for content that describes this technique
14:53:33 <neilmilliken> sorry for joining late what is the link to the document
14:55:31 <MichaelC> <thrashing on description>
14:55:34 <MichaelC> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit#
15:03:05 <Jan> Jan is going to write up a step-by-step guide, based on the work done this morning.  There are a couple of sections left that need to be completed on the 1st authentication technique.  Jan, Michael, and John Rochford will exchange emails to complete these sections and finish up the instructions.
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