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09:57:35 <angel> Meeting: Clreq Editors Call
09:57:37 <angel> Chair: Angel
09:58:08 <angel> Present: Angel, Fuqiao, Bobby, Yijun, Huijing
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09:59:46 <angel> Topic: Current Progress
10:00:23 <angel> Yijun: around Mar and April, drafted a prove reading
10:00:41 <angel> ...went through chap 1 and 2
10:01:05 <angel> ...until 2.3
10:01:11 <xfq> s/drafted a prove reading/did some proofreading/
10:01:51 <angel> Yijun: Huijing worked on the English prove reading
10:01:56 <angel> ...I did not send a TR
10:02:02 <angel> ...only on Master
10:02:07 <xfq> s/TR/PR/
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10:02:38 <xfq> s/prove reading/proofreading/
10:02:59 <angel> Yijun: the PR in Mar is mainly about SC and TC, unifying the terms, until chap 3.1
10:03:15 <angel> ...made some changes on font illustrations
10:05:15 <angel> Huijing: CN and TC need to be completely unified?
10:05:21 <angel> Yijun: let's try our best to unified them
10:05:27 <angel> ...like a manual wikipedia
10:05:39 <angel> Huijing: CN and TC need to be completely unified?
10:05:46 <angel> Huijing: which is the standard version, SC or TC
10:06:02 <angel> Yijun: worked on a new version, published on Feb 20th
10:06:16 <angel> Angel: do we need to publish a new version?
10:06:31 <angel> Yijun: will publish a new version after the prove reading is done
10:07:03 <angel> Huijing: will move faster on the prove reading for clreq
10:07:10 <angel> Yijun: Bobby, anything to add?
10:07:19 <angel> Bobby: have not worked on this for sometime
10:07:35 <angel> ...I care more about the tone mark注音符号
10:07:51 <angel> Yijun: Eric think @@ needs to be complete
10:08:01 <angel> Bobby: ruby for Pinyin?
10:08:03 <xfq> s/tone mark注音符号/Bopomofo/
10:08:05 <angel> Yijun: Yes
10:08:27 <angel> s/CN and TC/SC and TC
10:09:01 <angel> Angel: Yijun, anything we can help with?
10:09:26 <angel> Yijun: not that I can think of, simple work which just need time
10:09:51 <angel> Angel: any time table?
10:10:00 <angel> Yijun: later this year?
10:10:12 <angel> ...will work on it on my Nov vacation
10:10:41 <xfq> s/Nov/Oct/
10:10:54 <angel> Bobby: I am working on bopomofo
10:11:08 <angel> ...I planned to go to @@
10:11:23 <angel> ...working on a proposal on Webfont
10:12:08 <angel> Angel: anyone plan to attend TPAC?
10:12:13 <angel> Bobby: maybe a bit late
10:13:09 <angel> Topic: current issues
10:13:17 <angel> Angel: can we close some issues?
10:13:27 <angel> Bobby: some are minor, we can close them
10:13:28 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues
10:14:02 <angel> Angel: Bobby could you please help to close the minor ones?
10:14:05 <angel> Bobby: yes
10:14:21 <angel> Huijing: how do I add my correct in the prove reading
10:14:29 <angel> Yijun: which kind?
10:14:34 <angel> Huijing: typos
10:14:58 <xfq> s/correct/correction/
10:15:35 <angel> Yijing: go ahead with the typo corrections
10:15:55 <angel> Yijun: also I worked on the glossary
10:16:06 <xfq> Glossary: https://w3c.github.io/clreq/#glossary
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10:17:25 <xfq> present+ Eric
10:18:04 <angel> Yijun: we need to translate the glossary
10:19:14 <angel> Eric: Yijun and I did some prove reading
10:19:16 <angel> Eric: I used some Japanese definitions of the terms
10:19:28 <angel> Angel: I can help to translate some
10:19:35 <angel> ...and refered from main land China definitions, ok with TC?
10:19:47 <angel> Bobby: think so, since there is no TC definitions
10:20:04 <xfq> s/refered/referred/
10:20:49 <angel> Angel: how many terms?
10:20:53 <angel> Yijun: about 100
10:21:01 <CYJ> 99 terms
10:21:05 <CYJ> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/blob/gh-pages/glossary-pinyin.csv
10:21:21 <angel> Bobby: if some of them are the same with Jlreq
10:21:29 <angel> ...we can use them directly
10:21:41 <angel> Angel: I love it when we can use them directly :)
10:22:08 <angel> Bobby: careful that Jlreq has been being updated
10:22:17 <angel> rrsagent, make log public
10:22:26 <angel> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:22:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-clreq-minutes.html angel
10:22:48 <angel> Eric: Jlreq has some items to be added, e.g. 汉文
10:24:00 <angel> Eric: I am working on some topics to be added to clreq, but needs more time to refine the thoughts
10:24:20 <angel> ..some items, like @@, there are terms for them in main land china
10:24:52 <angel> ...current this version contains the most basic requirements, but it needs more content
10:25:14 <angel> Bobby: for 注音，we used the 注音content from 台湾教育部
10:25:46 <angel> ...for 注音，let's find a more proper solution for it, not so old
10:26:07 <angel> Eric: better there is a reference than not
10:26:21 <xfq> s/台湾教育部/the Ministry of Education of the Republic of China/
10:26:29 <xfq> s/注音/Bopomofo/
10:26:32 <angel> Eric: for Pinyin, it is not mature yet, let's move it to next version
10:27:23 <angel> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix
10:27:31 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix
10:27:35 <angel> Topic: Language matrix
10:27:48 <angel> Fuqiao: Richard recently developed a gap analysis
10:28:49 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa
10:28:50 <angel> ...Richard think it's better to include Chinese (SC and TC) in this table
10:29:05 <angel> ...take Arabic as an example
10:29:30 <angel> ...better if we can have a gap analysis for Chinese
10:29:37 <angel> ..kind of roadmap for Clreq
10:29:48 <angel> Eric: can we just go through this list?
10:29:52 <angel> Fuqiao: sure
10:30:04 <angel> ...better if we could come up with a document
10:30:13 <angel> Eric: if the framework is fixed
10:30:20 <angel> ...filling in the content is easy
10:32:00 <angel> ...Encoding, look no problem for me
10:32:40 <xfq> [Chinese, Japanese and Korean fonts almost always lack italic or oblique faces, because their characters are too complicated to support them well.]
10:33:16 <angel> all: disagree with the statement above
10:33:22 <angel> Fuqiao: let's correct it
10:33:37 <angel> ..b/c it does not apply to Chinese
10:34:22 <angel> Bobby: it is another font, 楷体，in JP, it is 仿宋，rather than just 斜体
10:34:45 <angel> ...better way to address is to make italic a different font
10:34:53 <angel> Eric: better to put it not applicable
10:36:24 <angel> Bobby: between light green and yellow
10:36:54 <angel> Eric: agree with light green
10:37:05 <angel> Fuqiao: any consensus?
10:37:23 <angel> Huijing: light green
10:37:49 <angel> Eric:Glyph control, not applicable
10:38:12 <angel> All: Glyph control, not applicable
10:39:20 <angel> All: Cursive text, 楷体
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10:40:02 <angel> action: Bobby to close the minor issues on github
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10:40:19 <angel> action: Yijun to finish the prove reading before Dec
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10:43:46 <angel> All:Boundaries & selection, need recovered
10:43:58 <angel> Eric: this feature is not for Chinese
10:44:26 <angel> All: Boundaries & selection, dark green
10:47:06 <angel> All: Quotation, dark green
10:47:35 <xfq> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-counter-styles/
10:47:48 <angel> Bobby: Numbers & digits, basic needs covered
10:47:52 <xfq> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-counter-styles/#limited-chinese
10:48:21 <angel> ...e.g. in vertical writing, 1903, we will not make it into one, but write it in full angle
10:48:32 <angel> ...I think light green fits here
10:48:47 <angel> Eric: for order list, 1) and 2) can solve
10:49:00 <angel> Bobby: for list, there are some issues
10:49:12 <angel> Eric: order list is here or somewhere else?
10:49:21 <angel> Fuqiao: should be in list and counters
10:52:16 <angel> All: Numbers & digits, green is fine
10:52:28 <angel> rrsagent, draft mintues
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10:52:32 <angel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:53:06 <angel> present: Angel, Fuqiao, Bobby, Yijun, Eric, Huijing
10:54:05 <angel> all: Char transforms, not applicable
10:54:23 <angel> Eric: Inter-char spacing, a bit topic!
10:54:38 <angel> ...light green?
10:54:42 <angel> Bobby: agree
10:54:52 <angel> All:Inter-char spacing, light green
10:54:58 <angel> All: ruby, light green
10:56:16 <angel> All: Text decoration, light green
10:58:53 <angel> All: Emphasis & highlight, dark green
10:59:38 <angel> Bobby: Inline notes, etc, 行内注，think it's yellow
10:59:51 <angel> Eric: something wrong with the link
11:01:19 <angel> All:  Inline notes, etc, let's skip this one? dont know what is is, but the requirement applies for Chinese
11:01:31 <angel> s/is is/it is
11:01:44 <angel> Huijing: dont think this is supported for Chiense
11:01:51 <angel> ...it should be a red
11:02:02 <angel> s/Chiense/Chinese
11:02:11 <angel> All:  Inline notes, etc, RED
11:02:31 <angel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:04:18 <ryukeikun> https://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ja/#inline_cutting_note
11:05:28 <angel> All: Bidi text, e.g. Chinese mixed with Arabic
11:05:44 <angel> ...Bidi text, dark green is fine
11:06:05 <angel> All: Line breaking, light green (DIFF)
11:08:11 <angel> All: Hyphenation, at least issue with Pinyin, light green
11:08:26 <angel> All: Justification & alignment, light green
11:08:37 <angel> All: Lists, counters, light green
11:09:59 <angel> All: Initial letter style, simple for Latin, not for Chinese
11:10:30 <angel> ...broad use in magazines and books
11:10:39 <angel> ...Initial letter style,  Yelloe
11:10:46 <angel> s/Yelloe/Yellow
11:11:30 <angel> All: Baselines, inline align, light green
11:12:34 <angel> All: Other paragraph, light green
11:13:39 <angel> All: Vertical text, light green
11:17:01 <angel> Bobby: Notes, footnotes,think should be yellow
11:17:33 <angel> ...for Ancient Chinese, there is some head notes
11:17:45 <angel> ...头注
11:18:00 <angel> Eric: 眉批 by the author
11:18:21 <angel> ...is it supported?
11:18:25 <angel> Bobby: think so
11:18:54 <angel> All: Notes, footnotes, light green
11:19:57 <angel> All: Page numbers, running heads, 页眉，not on browsers, maybe on e-books, supported by reading system
11:20:30 <angel> Fuqiao: some browsers are working on it
11:20:49 <angel> ...not aware of the progress
11:21:01 <angel> All: Page numbers, running heads, dark green
11:21:30 <angel> s/dark green/dark green??? need to check with CSS Working Group
11:21:38 <angel> Fuqiao: let's check with CSS WG
11:21:44 <angel> Bobby: and the new publishing WG
11:22:01 <angel> Action: Fuqiao to check with CSS WG and Publishing WG
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11:22:59 <angel> All: Other pagination, dark green??? need to check with CSS Working Group
11:23:28 <angel> Topic: Next Meeting
11:23:36 <angel> Angel: when should we meet again?
11:25:13 <angel> ...let's target at Oct 25, Wed, 18:00-19:00
11:25:31 <xfq> UTC+8
11:27:11 <angel> action: Fuqiao to update matrix and talk to Richard
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11:27:29 <angel> action: Huijing to continue the prove reading
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11:28:01 <angel> Action: Fuqiao to check with CSS WG and Publishing WG about the questions
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11:28:04 <xfq> action: xfq to do follow-up on the gap analysis
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11:28:11 <angel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:29:02 <angel> Yijun: we use CSV to update the version
11:29:34 <angel> Eric: Yijun please open a new @@ with time table
11:29:49 <angel> Yijun: let's publish PR and I will work on the conflict
11:30:14 <angel> Yijun: let's get a wechat group!
11:30:51 <angel> Yijun: let's stay with skype
11:31:01 <angel> ...since everyone is here already
11:31:12 <angel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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