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15:43:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:43:51 <trackbot> Date: 20 September 2017
15:44:04 <janina_> agenda?
15:44:08 <janina_> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:44:08 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2017 Planning
15:44:08 <janina_> agenda+ Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below
15:44:08 <janina_> agenda+ CSS Task Force -- Ian
15:44:10 <janina_> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:44:13 <janina_> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:44:15 <janina_> agenda+ Other Business
15:44:18 <janina_> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:44:20 <janina_> agenda+ be done
15:51:56 <janina_>  present+
15:52:00 <janina_> chair: janina
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16:01:30 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:10:38 <MichaelC> present+
16:10:51 <tink> scribe: Léonie
16:10:56 <tink> zakim, take up item 1
16:10:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
16:11:07 <tink> present+ Léonie
16:11:14 <tink> JS: Catch up agenda today.
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16:11:24 <tink> ... Any items for the agenda?
16:11:45 <tink> IP: Time to discuss TPAC time for the CSS TF.
16:12:01 <tink> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:12:15 <tink> JS: Ok.
16:13:31 <tink> ... Have also been thinking about alt guidance again.
16:13:37 <tink> ... Thanks to Léonie for response.
16:13:48 <tink> LW: The guidance on the wiki is out of date.
16:13:53 <tink> ... Will talk to PLH about it.
16:14:02 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
16:14:33 <tink> ... Ther.. Also Liam's suggestion to maintain separate guidance because people don't look in the spec.
16:15:26 <tink> LW: Would be curious to know what evidence there is that people don't look in the spec for guidance.
16:16:02 <tink> ... The HTML spec has lots of authoring guidance on all manner of things.
16:16:25 <tink> MC: Combining authoring guidance and browser implementation in the spec isn't helpful.
16:16:38 <tink> LW: It would be good to get some evidence for whether people struggle with that or not.
16:16:59 <tink> JS: Not something I want to fall on my sword over, but worth thinking about I think.
16:17:11 <tink> zakim, close item 1
16:17:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
16:17:12 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:17:12 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2017 Planning [from janina_]
16:17:16 <tink> zakim, take up item 2
16:17:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 Planning" taken up [from janina_]
16:19:08 <tink> JS: Michael is able to regular expression localisation of meeting times for remote participants.
16:19:11 <tink> zakim, close item 2
16:19:14 <Zakim> agendum 2, TPAC 2017 Planning, closed
16:19:14 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:19:14 <Zakim> 3. Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below [from janina_]
16:19:15 <tink> zakim, open item 3
16:19:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below" taken up [from janina_]
16:19:48 <tink> JS: Chaals suggested that we file an issue on Input Events.
16:19:52 <janina_> https://github.com/w3c/input-events/issues/74
16:20:18 <tink> ... It links to substantive discussion on this call.
16:20:44 <tink> ... Please add to the issue.
16:20:59 <janina_> https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/107
16:21:14 <tink> ... Have opened an issue on the Notifications at WWG.
16:21:29 <tink> ... Anne VK has offered to join our call.
16:21:35 <tink> ... Suggest two weeks today?
16:22:21 <tink> LW: Appreciate you can't schedule around one person, but if you could bump a week that would be good.
16:22:36 <tink> JS: Can do.
16:22:51 <tink> ... Anne actually suggested it should be filed against the Push API spec!
16:23:04 <tink> ... WWG has also put out a cal for accessibility participation.
16:23:12 <tink> s/cal/call/
16:23:23 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:23:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
16:24:13 <tink> zakim, close item 3
16:24:13 <Zakim> agendum 3, Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below, closed
16:24:16 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:24:16 <Zakim> 4. CSS Task Force -- Ian [from janina_]
16:24:20 <tink> zakim, take up ite 4
16:24:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up ite 4', tink
16:24:27 <tink> zakim, take up item 4
16:24:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CSS Task Force -- Ian" taken up [from janina_]
16:24:38 <tink> JS: How much time would you like at TPAC?
16:24:43 <tink> IP: 10 minutes would do it.
16:24:48 <tink> MC: Suggest you take longer.
16:25:04 <tink> ... The TF is joint between ARIA, APA, and CSS, so we need to request time from all three.
16:25:23 <tink> ... Suggest we request time in the CSS WG slot.
16:25:36 <tink> ... Get input on how they'd like the TF to evolve etc.
16:25:45 <tink> ... Time for some strategic planning.
16:26:13 <tink> IP: There is an update to give.
16:26:29 <tink> ... Plus a call for participation.
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16:27:00 <tink> MC: Think we should pick up this thread with the CSS WG.
16:27:05 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html chaals
16:27:07 <tink> +1 Michael.
16:27:34 <tink> IP: Time for APA as a whole would be good.
16:27:45 <tink> ... I recall discussion last year of mdia features for example.
16:27:50 <tink> MC: That was ARIA.
16:28:12 <tink> JS: Think we need to factor all this in, and also the ARIA personalisation work.
16:28:24 <tink> ... Suggest we ask for an hour with CSS WG, possibly 90 mins.
16:28:36 <tink> IP: Yes. I was just thinking initially of time for an update.
16:28:41 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:28:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
16:29:44 <tink> MC: Think we should develop a clear starting agenda to share with them.
16:30:36 <tink> JMD: CSS meets Mon/Tue.
16:30:43 <tink> ... I'd like to be at the meeting.
16:30:56 <tink> ... We can use ARIA meeting time on Thu/Fri to debrief/plan.
16:31:20 <tink> jS: If you make the CSS/APA meeting, I think it counds as including ARIA.
16:32:13 <tink> JS: Will send CSS a headsup.
16:33:57 <tink> IP: I'm waiting for Rossen to create a tag for tracking feedback.
16:34:05 <tink> MC: Has he given you access to the repo yet?
16:34:06 <tink> IP: No
16:34:15 <tink> MC: Has he acknowledged your request?
16:34:18 <tink> IP: Sort of.
16:34:22 <tink> JS: Worth a ping.
16:34:27 <tink> IP: I'm on it.
16:35:23 <tink> LW: Next time you ping, suggest you include the team contact.
16:35:37 <tink> JS: Michael too. It's a joint TF.
16:36:09 <tink> zakim, close item 4
16:36:09 <Zakim> agendum 4, CSS Task Force -- Ian, closed
16:36:10 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:36:10 <Zakim> 5. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina_]
16:36:14 <tink> zakim, take up item 5
16:36:14 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina_]
16:36:52 <tink> action-2143?
16:36:52 <trackbot> action-2143 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review ttml 2 and send response to explicit review request -- due 2017-09-13 -- OPEN
16:36:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2143
16:37:02 <tink> JS: Looked at it.
16:37:11 <tink> ... Found no issues.
16:37:34 <tink> ... Will send a note to let them know.
16:38:06 <tink> action-2141?
16:38:07 <trackbot> action-2141 -- Léonie Watson to Review verifiable claims data model and representations https://www.w3.org/tr/verifiable-claims-data-model/ -- due 2017-08-23 -- OPEN
16:38:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2141
16:38:20 <tink> LW: Done. Sent a reply to the list.
16:38:24 <tink> ... Found no issues.
16:39:31 <tink> action-2140?
16:39:31 <trackbot> action-2140 -- Janina Sajka to Ping shane re action-2123 -- due 2017-08-23 -- OPEN
16:39:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2140
16:40:05 <MichaelC> close action-2141
16:40:05 <trackbot> Closed action-2141.
16:40:38 <tink> JMD: Reached out to Shane, and will do so again.
16:40:53 <tink> action-2138?
16:40:53 <trackbot> action-2138 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webvtt1/ webvtt: the web video text tracks format -- due 2017-09-13 -- OPEN
16:40:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2138
16:40:58 <tink> JS: Done.
16:41:03 <tink> ... Sent feedback.
16:42:51 <MichaelC> close action-2138
16:42:51 <trackbot> Closed action-2138.
16:43:19 <MichaelC> close action-2137
16:43:19 <trackbot> Closed action-2137.
16:43:33 <tink> action-2133?
16:43:33 <trackbot> action-2133 -- Janina Sajka to Manage review of payment handler api https://www.w3.org/tr/payment-handler/ -- due 2017-06-28 -- OPEN
16:43:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2133
16:44:01 <tink> JS: Will ping Katie.
16:44:49 <tink> zakim, close item 5
16:44:49 <Zakim> agendum 5, Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8, closed
16:44:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:44:51 <Zakim> 6. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina_]
16:44:55 <tink> zakim, open item 6
16:44:55 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina_]
16:45:06 <tink> akim, take up item 6
16:45:22 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/ Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
16:45:28 <tink> MC: Web of Things Architecture
16:46:15 <tink> JS: Assign to me.
16:46:27 <tink> LW: Happy to as well if useful
16:46:29 <MichaelC> action: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
16:46:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2146 - Review web of things (wot) architecture [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-09-27].
16:46:39 <MichaelC> action-2146: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/
16:46:39 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2146 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
16:46:45 <tink> JS: May take this to RQTF
16:46:51 <MichaelC> action-2146: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
16:46:51 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2146 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
16:46:57 <MichaelC> action: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
16:46:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2147 - Review web of things (wot) architecture [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-09-27].
16:47:04 <MichaelC> action-2147: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
16:47:04 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2147 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
16:47:11 <MichaelC> action-2147: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/
16:47:11 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2147 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
16:47:31 <tink> MC: Web of Things Scripting API
16:47:37 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-scripting-api/ Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API
16:48:19 <tink> LW: I'll take this one.
16:48:34 <tink> JS: One use case I want to be sure is considered
16:48:34 <MichaelC> action: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API
16:48:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2148 - Review web of things (wot) scripting api [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-09-27].
16:48:40 <MichaelC> action-2148: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-scripting-api/
16:48:40 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2148 Review web of things (wot) scripting api.
16:48:47 <tink> ... When you don't get IP involved until there is data on the server.
16:48:50 <MichaelC> action-2148: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Scripting_API
16:48:50 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2148 Review web of things (wot) scripting api.
16:49:10 <tink> ... Fault tolerance is based on the notion of being able to talk to N number of gateways.
16:50:33 <tink> LW: My knowledge doesn't extend into this area.
16:50:44 <tink> JS: Think it'll come under the Architetures, so I'll get it.
16:50:52 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/ Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description
16:51:12 <tink> MC: Web of Things Description
16:51:50 <tink> JS: Will take a look.
16:52:00 <MichaelC> action: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description
16:52:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2149 - Review web of things (wot) thing description [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-09-27].
16:52:06 <MichaelC> action-2149: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/
16:52:06 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2149 Review web of things (wot) thing description.
16:52:14 <MichaelC> action-2149: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description
16:52:14 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2149 Review web of things (wot) thing description.
16:52:58 <tink> MC: Interaction Observers
16:53:03 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/intersection-observer/ Intersection Observer
16:53:37 <tink> LW: Per the WebPlat wide review request, I don't think it has UI implications.
16:54:08 <tink> MC: Skimming the intro, tend to agree.
16:55:37 <tink> JS: Relevant to CSS?
16:55:44 <tink> MC: It relates to preloading DOM data.
16:56:41 <tink> IP: Don't think it's of concern to us.
16:57:42 <tink> LW: The spec already has 3 lots of interop, s expect it to move through the Process swiftly.
17:06:27 <janina_> zakim, bye
17:06:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina_, Joanmarie_Diggs, IanPouncey, MichaelC, Léonie
17:06:27 <Zakim> Zakim has left #apa
17:06:33 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html janina_
17:06:44 <janina_> rrsagent, bye
17:06:44 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-actions.rdf :
17:06:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture [1]
17:06:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-46-29
17:06:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture [2]
17:06:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-46-57
17:06:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API [3]
17:06:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-48-34-1
17:06:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description [4]
17:06:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-52-00