IRC log of apa on 2017-09-20
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 20 September 2017
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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- agenda+ TPAC 2017 Planning
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- agenda+ Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below
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- agenda+ CSS Task Force -- Ian
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ next and future meetings
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- agenda+ be done
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- present+
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- chair: janina
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+
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- 16:10:38 [MichaelC]
- present+
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- scribe: Léonie
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
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- present+ Léonie
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- JS: Catch up agenda today.
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- ... Any items for the agenda?
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- IP: Time to discuss TPAC time for the CSS TF.
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- JS: Ok.
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- ... Have also been thinking about alt guidance again.
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- ... Thanks to Léonie for response.
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- LW: The guidance on the wiki is out of date.
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- ... Will talk to PLH about it.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
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- ... Ther.. Also Liam's suggestion to maintain separate guidance because people don't look in the spec.
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- LW: Would be curious to know what evidence there is that people don't look in the spec for guidance.
- 16:16:02 [tink]
- ... The HTML spec has lots of authoring guidance on all manner of things.
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- MC: Combining authoring guidance and browser implementation in the spec isn't helpful.
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- LW: It would be good to get some evidence for whether people struggle with that or not.
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- JS: Not something I want to fall on my sword over, but worth thinking about I think.
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. TPAC 2017 Planning [from janina_]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 Planning" taken up [from janina_]
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- JS: Michael is able to regular expression localisation of meeting times for remote participants.
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- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, TPAC 2017 Planning, closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below [from janina_]
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- zakim, open item 3
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- agendum 3. "Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below" taken up [from janina_]
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- JS: Chaals suggested that we file an issue on Input Events.
- 16:19:52 [janina_]
- https://github.com/w3c/input-events/issues/74
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- ... It links to substantive discussion on this call.
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- ... Please add to the issue.
- 16:20:59 [janina_]
- https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/107
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- ... Have opened an issue on the Notifications at WWG.
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- ... Anne VK has offered to join our call.
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- ... Suggest two weeks today?
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- LW: Appreciate you can't schedule around one person, but if you could bump a week that would be good.
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- JS: Can do.
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- ... Anne actually suggested it should be filed against the Push API spec!
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- ... WWG has also put out a cal for accessibility participation.
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- s/cal/call/
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
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- zakim, close item 3
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- agendum 3, Push/Notifications API and Input Events Updates [See Below, closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. CSS Task Force -- Ian [from janina_]
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- zakim, take up ite 4
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- I don't understand 'take up ite 4', tink
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "CSS Task Force -- Ian" taken up [from janina_]
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- JS: How much time would you like at TPAC?
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- IP: 10 minutes would do it.
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- MC: Suggest you take longer.
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- ... The TF is joint between ARIA, APA, and CSS, so we need to request time from all three.
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- ... Suggest we request time in the CSS WG slot.
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- ... Get input on how they'd like the TF to evolve etc.
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- ... Time for some strategic planning.
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- IP: There is an update to give.
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- ... Plus a call for participation.
- 16:26:37 [chaals]
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- MC: Think we should pick up this thread with the CSS WG.
- 16:27:05 [chaals]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html chaals
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- +1 Michael.
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- IP: Time for APA as a whole would be good.
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- ... I recall discussion last year of mdia features for example.
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- MC: That was ARIA.
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- JS: Think we need to factor all this in, and also the ARIA personalisation work.
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- ... Suggest we ask for an hour with CSS WG, possibly 90 mins.
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- IP: Yes. I was just thinking initially of time for an update.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html tink
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- MC: Think we should develop a clear starting agenda to share with them.
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- JMD: CSS meets Mon/Tue.
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- ... I'd like to be at the meeting.
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- ... We can use ARIA meeting time on Thu/Fri to debrief/plan.
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- jS: If you make the CSS/APA meeting, I think it counds as including ARIA.
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- JS: Will send CSS a headsup.
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- IP: I'm waiting for Rossen to create a tag for tracking feedback.
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- MC: Has he given you access to the repo yet?
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- IP: No
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- MC: Has he acknowledged your request?
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- IP: Sort of.
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- JS: Worth a ping.
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- IP: I'm on it.
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- LW: Next time you ping, suggest you include the team contact.
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- JS: Michael too. It's a joint TF.
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- zakim, close item 4
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- agendum 4, CSS Task Force -- Ian, closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina_]
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- zakim, take up item 5
- 16:36:14 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina_]
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- action-2143?
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- action-2143 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review ttml 2 and send response to explicit review request -- due 2017-09-13 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2143
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- JS: Looked at it.
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- ... Found no issues.
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- ... Will send a note to let them know.
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- action-2141?
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- action-2141 -- Léonie Watson to Review verifiable claims data model and representations https://www.w3.org/tr/verifiable-claims-data-model/ -- due 2017-08-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2141
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- LW: Done. Sent a reply to the list.
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- ... Found no issues.
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- action-2140?
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- action-2140 -- Janina Sajka to Ping shane re action-2123 -- due 2017-08-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2140
- 16:40:05 [MichaelC]
- close action-2141
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- Closed action-2141.
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- JMD: Reached out to Shane, and will do so again.
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- action-2138?
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- action-2138 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webvtt1/ webvtt: the web video text tracks format -- due 2017-09-13 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2138
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- JS: Done.
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- ... Sent feedback.
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- close action-2138
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- Closed action-2138.
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- close action-2137
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- Closed action-2137.
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- action-2133?
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- action-2133 -- Janina Sajka to Manage review of payment handler api https://www.w3.org/tr/payment-handler/ -- due 2017-06-28 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2133
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- JS: Will ping Katie.
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- zakim, close item 5
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- agendum 5, Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8, closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 6. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina_]
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- zakim, open item 6
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- agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina_]
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- akim, take up item 6
- 16:45:22 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/ Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
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- MC: Web of Things Architecture
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- JS: Assign to me.
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- LW: Happy to as well if useful
- 16:46:29 [MichaelC]
- action: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
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- Created ACTION-2146 - Review web of things (wot) architecture [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-09-27].
- 16:46:39 [MichaelC]
- action-2146: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/
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- Notes added to action-2146 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
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- JS: May take this to RQTF
- 16:46:51 [MichaelC]
- action-2146: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
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- Notes added to action-2146 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
- 16:46:57 [MichaelC]
- action: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture
- 16:46:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2147 - Review web of things (wot) architecture [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-09-27].
- 16:47:04 [MichaelC]
- action-2147: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture
- 16:47:04 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-2147 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
- 16:47:11 [MichaelC]
- action-2147: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture/
- 16:47:11 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-2147 Review web of things (wot) architecture.
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- MC: Web of Things Scripting API
- 16:47:37 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-scripting-api/ Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API
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- LW: I'll take this one.
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- JS: One use case I want to be sure is considered
- 16:48:34 [MichaelC]
- action: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API
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- Created ACTION-2148 - Review web of things (wot) scripting api [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-09-27].
- 16:48:40 [MichaelC]
- action-2148: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-scripting-api/
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- Notes added to action-2148 Review web of things (wot) scripting api.
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- ... When you don't get IP involved until there is data on the server.
- 16:48:50 [MichaelC]
- action-2148: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Scripting_API
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- Notes added to action-2148 Review web of things (wot) scripting api.
- 16:49:10 [tink]
- ... Fault tolerance is based on the notion of being able to talk to N number of gateways.
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- LW: My knowledge doesn't extend into this area.
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- JS: Think it'll come under the Architetures, so I'll get it.
- 16:50:52 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/ Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description
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- MC: Web of Things Description
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- JS: Will take a look.
- 16:52:00 [MichaelC]
- action: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description
- 16:52:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2149 - Review web of things (wot) thing description [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-09-27].
- 16:52:06 [MichaelC]
- action-2149: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/
- 16:52:06 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-2149 Review web of things (wot) thing description.
- 16:52:14 [MichaelC]
- action-2149: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description
- 16:52:14 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-2149 Review web of things (wot) thing description.
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- MC: Interaction Observers
- 16:53:03 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/intersection-observer/ Intersection Observer
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- LW: Per the WebPlat wide review request, I don't think it has UI implications.
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- MC: Skimming the intro, tend to agree.
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- JS: Relevant to CSS?
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- MC: It relates to preloading DOM data.
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- IP: Don't think it's of concern to us.
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- LW: The spec already has 3 lots of interop, s expect it to move through the Process swiftly.
- 17:06:27 [janina_]
- zakim, bye
- 17:06:27 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina_, Joanmarie_Diggs, IanPouncey, MichaelC, Léonie
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-minutes.html janina_
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-46-29
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- ACTION: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Architecture [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-46-57
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- ACTION: watson to review Web of Things (WoT) Scripting API [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-48-34-1
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- ACTION: janina to review Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description [4]
- 17:06:44 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/20-apa-irc#T16-52-00