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15:03:53 <stonematt> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2017Sep/0013.html
15:04:05 <amigus> present+ Adam_Migus
15:04:08 <manu> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/19-vcwg-minutes.html manu
15:05:05 <TallTed> TOPIC: Introductions
15:05:28 <manu> https://ra21.org/
15:05:42 <bigbluehat> present+
15:05:52 <manu> https://ra21.org/index.php/pilot-programs/
15:06:00 <manu> present- bigbluehat
15:06:06 <manu> present+ Benjamin_Young
15:06:23 <TallTed> tzviya: working on scholarly publication issues, looks like Single-Sign-On, but seems to be bigger/broader cross-site
15:07:17 <TallTed> TOPIC: TPAC topic review
15:07:29 <stonematt> URL: https://goo.gl/8voHZS
15:07:40 <manu> q+ to mention one more he added - PING.
15:07:49 <stonematt> s/URL/URL for TPAC Topics/
15:07:58 <stonematt> q?
15:08:02 <stonematt> q?
15:08:39 <varn> ack manu
15:08:39 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention one more he added - PING.
15:09:07 <TallTed> manu: added Privacy IG to list.  will be good to ping the other groups in advance of TPAC so they can be ready to discuss.
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15:09:55 <TallTed> ... probably need 60 minutes for each of Privacy and WebCommerce IGs
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15:11:14 <nage> present+ Nathan_George
15:11:33 <TallTed> ChristopherA: there is some intent to bring CG and WG together, don't know who's going to be there yet
15:11:35 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:11:43 <stonematt> q?
15:11:51 <varn> ack JoeAndrieu
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15:12:14 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: would like to get an hour on Use Cases
15:12:15 <manu> q+ time note...
15:12:28 <stonematt> q?
15:12:39 <TallTed> ack
15:12:46 <stonematt> q+
15:12:48 <TallTed> s/ack//
15:13:01 <TallTed> q- time note...
15:13:54 <varn> ack stonematt
15:14:01 <TallTed> manu: we only have about 4-5 hours first day; 6 hours second day
15:14:27 <TallTed> stonematt: started sketching importance into topic list
15:15:20 <varn> q?
15:15:51 <TallTed> TOPIC: Data Model Spec curent milestone
15:16:21 <TallTed> manu: no progress; need to get test suite into better shape; hoping for more progress to next week
15:16:30 <varn> q?
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15:16:55 <dlehn> present+ David_Lehn
15:17:05 <varn> need more help on data model spec?  yes
15:17:18 <varn> ping manu to help
15:17:31 <ChristopherA> Q+
15:17:33 <TallTed> ... assistance is welcome
15:17:57 <varn> ack ChristopherA
15:18:04 <ChristopherA> https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/topics-and-advance-readings/verifiable-claims-primer.md
15:18:48 <TallTed> ChristopherA: VC Primer may be a helpful tool
15:19:25 <stonematt> q?
15:19:31 <liam> present+ Liam
15:19:42 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-test-suite/
15:19:42 <TallTed> TOPIC: Privacy and Security section review report
15:20:04 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:20:33 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:20:33 <varn> q?
15:20:44 <manu> q+ to add Joe to the queue :)
15:20:48 <varn> ack manu
15:20:48 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to add Joe to the queue :)
15:21:18 <ChristopherA> q+
15:21:20 <varn> ack JoeAndrieu
15:21:22 <TallTed> manu: David Chadwick, Joe, and I had conversation about issue markers and spec text...
15:22:11 <TallTed> s/Joe/Joe Andrieu/
15:22:57 <dlongley> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/68
15:23:12 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: we had three different interpretations of what was there, and Manu was going to try to write clarity
15:23:13 <varn> ack ChristopherA
15:23:15 <stonematt> q?
15:23:21 <manu> q+ manu to follow up on issue 68
15:24:30 <TallTed> ChristopherA: Lionel in Credentials CG is going to borrow some text from a related IETF RFC we found
15:24:45 <varn> ack manu
15:24:45 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to follow up on issue 68
15:25:40 <TallTed> manu: data model currently says a verifiable claim may be transmitted by the subject (the subject is the holder)
15:25:45 <ChristopherA> The RFC is https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6973
15:26:08 <TallTed> ... separate use case, a holder may hand over credential on behalf of subject (UNHCR hands over medical credential on behalf of refugee)
15:27:50 <stonematt> q?
15:27:52 <TallTed> ... data model has talked about these 2 use cases.  concern about authentication of holder, subject, etc.
15:28:11 <varn> q+
15:28:17 <dlongley> q+
15:28:45 <stonematt> q?
15:28:48 <stonematt> q+
15:28:51 <manu> sample spec text: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/68#issuecomment-328590434
15:28:55 <TallTed> ... could make non-normative section that points to other specs that cover how to handle authentication of subject-holder and/or onBehalfOf-holder
15:29:02 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/68#issuecomment-328847548
15:29:17 <dlongley> q-
15:29:32 <dlongley> q+
15:29:47 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:30:10 <stonematt> ack varn
15:30:41 <varn> ack varn
15:30:52 <varn> ack dlongley
15:31:55 <TallTed> dlongley: data model doesn't need additions, but may need some changes to clarify what elements are and how/when they can be used
15:32:11 <manu> Meeting: W3C Verifiable Claims Working Group Telecon
15:32:15 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:32:16 <varn> ack stonematt
15:32:23 <varn> q?
15:32:40 <JoeAndrieu> sorry
15:32:49 <manu> s/sorry//
15:33:10 <manu> Chair: Richard_Varn, Matt_Stone, Dan_Burnett
15:33:14 <TallTed> stonematt: we have implementations using the data model being built in parallel to the data model work...
15:33:17 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:33:29 <dlongley> q?
15:33:32 <varn> ack JoeAndrieu
15:34:07 <manu> Present+ Tzviya_Siegman
15:34:17 <manu> present- tzviya
15:34:30 <manu> q+ to note PING...
15:34:41 <varn> ack manu
15:34:41 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note PING...
15:34:59 <TallTed> manu: we should reach out to Privacy IG pretty soon
15:35:20 <TallTed> ... typically takes them several weeks to do a review
15:36:43 <varn> q?
15:37:01 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:37:06 <stonematt> q?
15:37:12 <varn> ack JoeAndrieu
15:37:45 <manu> q+
15:38:12 <varn> ack manu
15:38:24 <JoeAndrieu> Charter: https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/charter.html
15:39:29 <TallTed> [ discussion of what privacy flags we're supposed to raise and where, and how we can make Privacy IG's work easier and more productive ]
15:40:09 <TallTed> TOPIC: Use Case doc update
15:40:31 <manu> q+ to respond to Joe
15:40:42 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: guessing there should be a privacy section within the Use Case doc
15:40:48 <varn> ack manu
15:40:48 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to respond to Joe
15:41:55 <TallTed> manu: we could put ecosystem/use-case privacy analysis in any of several docs
15:42:46 <JoeAndrieu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-use-cases
15:42:59 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: quick review of doc at https://github.com/w3c/vc-use-cases
15:43:53 <TallTed> ... 4 pull requests pending, don't have auth to address these
15:44:33 <TallTed> s/https:\/\/github.com\/w3c\/vc-use-cases/https:\/\/w3c.github.io\/vc-use-cases\//
15:45:17 <TallTed> ... some things in charter mean we should make some changes to use case doc...
15:46:21 <manu> https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/charter.html
15:46:49 <TallTed> ... charter makes identity on the web out-of-scope, but use case doc has a section that seems to focus there directly
15:46:52 <stonematt> q+
15:46:52 <varn> q?
15:47:01 <varn> ack stonematt
15:47:45 <varn> q+
15:47:54 <TallTed> stonematt: different interpretation of charter intent.  representing a driver's license as a verifiable claim is not the same as trying to manage "identity on the web".
15:48:01 <manu> q+ to lawyer the charter.
15:48:35 <TallTed> varn: there are many ways to verify identity, which we can point to and use in our approach
15:48:43 <varn> ack varn
15:49:18 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: that makes sense.
15:49:27 <dlongley> q?
15:49:46 <varn> ack manu
15:49:46 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to lawyer the charter.
15:49:55 <manu> "Focus their efforts on the identified use cases with a particular focus on the education sector. As a secondary focus, the group may address use cases on digital offers, receipts, and loyalty programs; discussion of these topics is not exclusive to this Working Group. "
15:51:31 <TallTed> manu: charter does have that scope statement, meant to keep us from going too far into the weeds, but not to completely isolate
15:52:40 <TallTed> varn: wonders whether tzviya's edu pubs use case fits in here
15:53:50 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: we have a number of issues for use case additions, but nothing about federation, which seems to be what tzviya described
15:54:05 <varn> q+
15:54:29 <TallTed> tzviya: certainly part of it is federation, there may be other pieces relevant to us (e.g., peer review) that we can help expand
15:54:37 <varn> ack varn
15:55:44 <stonematt> q?
15:56:26 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: please raise issues for any use cases not yet represented, especially if they can be highlighted as education-related
15:57:40 <manu> q+ to ask if we could work on this at RWoT?
15:57:59 <TallTed> JoeAndrieu: booked elsewhere the next couple weeks, but can dig into this again thereafter
15:58:21 <manu> +1, yes, applicability is super important - good catch, Joe!
15:58:44 <varn> ack manu
15:58:44 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to ask if we could work on this at RWoT?
15:58:47 <TallTed> ... new section(s) to be "existing deployments" and/or "potential deployments"
15:59:12 <ChristopherA> I'm off, heading to Credentials CG.
15:59:24 <TallTed> TOPIC: agenda items for future
15:59:31 <TallTed> [ crickets ]
15:59:43 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:01:49 <TallTed> persisting --
16:01:49 <TallTed> trouble with "realname" present and "ircname" in irc is there's no direct track between attendees and logs 
16:01:49 <TallTed> Zakim et al used to handle this stuff somehow...
16:01:53 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:02:07 <TallTed> trackbot, end meeting
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16:06:05 <liam> we can have a trackbot if wanted; i don't think it's very useful these days. There's also a github bot floating around some WGs are using that can post snippets of irc conversations to github
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