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17:00:01 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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17:03:33 <jamesn> agenda - https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/September-18%2C-2017-Meeting
17:03:37 <mck> meeting: ARIA Practices Task Force for September 18, 2017
17:04:01 <mck> CHAIR: Matt King
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17:04:40 <jongund> present+ jongund
17:06:04 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:06:11 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
17:06:19 <AnnAbbott> present+ AnnAbbott
17:06:37 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/18-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
17:06:38 <sirib> present+shirisha
17:07:05 <mck> rrsagent, make log public
17:08:17 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/September-18%2C-2017-Meeting
17:09:07 <jemma> scribe: Jemma
17:09:10 <mck> TOPIC: New ARIA Task Force Tools
17:09:51 <AnnAbbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
17:10:21 <AnnAbbott> were a sub-group, now an official taskforce
17:10:53 <mck> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/practices/
17:10:58 <AnnAbbott> new mailing list, public-aria-practices@w3.org
17:11:24 <AnnAbbott> What parts of communcation do we want to change?
17:12:06 <AnnAbbott> ok, Jemma
17:13:21 <jamesn> +1 to moving lists
17:13:22 <jongund> 1+
17:13:27 <sirib> 1+
17:13:28 <jongund> +1
17:13:35 <sirib> +1
17:14:26 <AnnAbbott> Use public-aria-practices@w3.org for agendas and minutes and discussions regarding those items
17:14:33 <mck> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=102172&public=1
17:15:42 <AnnAbbott> present+ Bryan Garaventa
17:17:04 <jemma> mck:today's minutes will be posted to aria working group
17:17:29 <jemma> mck: from next week, it will be posted to public-aria-practices@w3.org
17:18:45 <jemma> jamesn: there are people who would like to join/contribute to the group but they cannot because their company is not part of w3c
17:19:10 <jemma> will talk to michael copper about it
17:19:47 <mck> TOPIC: 3Q17 Milestone Health Check
17:20:41 <jemma> mck: we will push another one soon
17:20:59 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/6
17:21:29 <AnnAbbott> 1. Combobox: Write pattern and implement both a 1.0 and 1.1 style example with a listbox popup.
17:22:00 <jemma> mck: can it be done by next week?
17:22:25 <jemma> mck: I can move out combobox to next milestone.
17:22:32 <AnnAbbott> 2. Multithumb slider: Update pattern and implement an example.
17:22:59 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/221
17:24:26 <jemma> jongund: to have unique label requirement, we added two
17:24:41 <AnnAbbott> 3. Window splitter: Update pattern and implement an example.
17:25:05 <jemma> james: I will do work on it
17:25:47 <AnnAbbott> 4. June 28 publication feedback: Triage issues; resolve any targeted for this milestone based on urgency.
17:26:15 <jemma> mck: we don't need make any chance in the code example, just change to the doc
17:26:52 <AnnAbbott> TOPIC: VNU Checking During CI Build
17:27:06 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/421
17:28:46 <jemma> jamesn: I will look into this. assign this to me.
17:29:46 <jemma> mck: this will be good thing to add
17:30:13 <AnnAbbott> TOPIC: Combobox Pattern
17:30:20 <jemma> mcb: this will speed up the publication
17:30:43 <AnnAbbott> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/combo-examples-1.1/aria-practices.html#combobox
17:34:00 <AnnAbbott> mck: wants feedback from James and Bryan for "Does the description omit any important features?"
17:34:04 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/31
17:34:31 <mck> 1. The value for the textbox must be chosen from a predefined set of allowed values, e.g., a location field must contain a valid location name. Note that
17:34:33 <mck> the listbox and menu button patterns are also useful in this scenario; differences between combobox and alternative patterns are described below.
17:35:16 <mck> Combobox widgets are useful for setting the value of a single-line textbox in one of two types of scenarios:
17:36:19 <mck> 2. The textbox may contain any arbetrary value, but it is advantageous to suggest possible values to the user, e.g., a search field may suggest similar
17:36:21 <mck> or previous searches to save the user time.
17:37:59 <mck> When providing a compact widget that asks users to choose one value from a known set of discrete values, often either a
17:38:01 <mck> listbox
17:38:02 <mck>  or
17:38:04 <mck> menu button
17:38:05 <mck>  is simpler to implement and use. One feature of combobox that distinguishes it from both listbox and menu button is that the value of the combobox is
17:38:07 <mck> presented in an edit field. Thus, the combobox gives users one function that both listbox and menu button lack, namely the ability to select some or all
17:38:08 <mck> of the value for copying to the clipboard.
17:38:19 <jemma> ar·bi·trar·y
17:41:27 <jemma> siri: are we adding confusion by adding menu button pattern?
17:45:12 <jemma> mck: alternative pattern for combo box, menu item is like a list item, eg. menu item check box
17:48:59 <jemma> jongund: I have a good example of combo box. we can look into that.
17:49:29 <AnnAbbott> Question: The description intentionally avoids the inherrantly confusing term "read-only combobox" to refer to a combobox restricted to a predefined set of values. Does the approach work?
17:51:47 <jemma> mck: I will just use it as "read only widget" for now
17:51:52 <AnnAbbott> Question: Is the note about the ARIA 1.0 pattern adequate?
17:55:16 <jemma> Question: The keyboard interaction currently includes all single-line textbox keys partly because we do not have a textbox pattern. Should we keep it this way?
17:55:22 <AnnAbbott> ARIA 1.0 pattern to come
17:55:37 <jemma> question:Is the proposed structure for the keyboard section good?
17:57:26 <jemma> mck: should we add textbox keyboard interaction here or just reference it when we have textbox keyboard interaction
17:58:10 <jemma> jemma: can we reuse existing keyboard pattern?
17:58:19 <jemma> mck: grid and tree may be possible
17:58:29 <jemma> mck: but there are some differences
17:59:45 <jemma> the biggest difference is char and back space, the same thing is down/up arrow but there is still some difference.
18:00:32 <jemma> mck: my original plan is using existing one but I found some difference
18:00:56 <jemma> I am not sure about reusing grid keyboard interaction yet.
18:02:40 <jemma> mck: using keyboard interaction for link may be possible but not sure about tree and grid. I will look into more.
18:02:50 <jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
18:02:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/18-aria-apg-minutes.html jemma
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