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12:03:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
12:03:27 <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2017
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12:25:03 <renato> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170914
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12:27:37 <renato> Chair: BenWS
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12:28:13 <victor> hi all!
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12:30:09 <renato> Ciao :-)
12:32:38 <michaelS> scribe: michaelS
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12:33:01 <michaelS> chair: benws_
12:33:13 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170914
12:33:26 <michaelS> Topic: last meetings minutes
12:33:41 <michaelS> benws_: no objections - minutes are taken
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12:34:04 <michaelS> topic: ´Vote on Editors Drafts for Candidate Recommendation
12:34:10 <michaelS> topic: Vote on Editors Drafts for Candidate Recommendation
12:34:17 <ivan> q+
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12:34:41 <michaelS> renato: re IM: section 2.6.8 was split up into statements in the different section
12:34:52 <simonstey> ack ivan
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12:35:29 <michaelS> ivan: (is the picky one) - what are the open issues on Github?
12:35:30 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues
12:35:47 <michaelS> renato: they are all related to documents which should be voted on today
12:36:17 <michaelS> ivan: then this is ok
12:36:42 <michaelS> ... a document sent to the W3C directors should mention that
12:37:00 <michaelS> benws_: any open issue anybody on this call want to raise
12:37:28 <michaelS> benws_: has one: how best we link to the evaluation criteria?
12:37:54 <renato> status section: https://w3c.github.io/poe/test/implementors
12:37:55 <michaelS> renato: at the top of the IM there is a link in the Evaluation Report
12:38:20 <michaelS> ivan: ... and that's all what is required. And this includes also the exit criteria
12:38:47 <michaelS> benws_: is this how Ralph & Co will see the documents?
12:38:51 <michaelS> renato: yes
12:38:54 <michaelS> benws_: fine
12:39:19 <michaelS> benws_: how to know what an implementer has to validate against?
12:39:51 <michaelS> ivan: the final recommendation will link "back" to the test results report
12:39:53 <ivan> Proposed: The WG requests the W3C Director to publish the model and the vocabulary documents as Candidate Recommendations.
12:40:10 <ivan> +1
12:40:18 <michaelS> +1
12:40:18 <benws_> +1
12:40:19 <Serena> +1
12:40:19 <victor> +1
12:40:20 <renato> +1
12:40:22 <CarolineB> +1
12:40:27 <LindaB> +1
12:40:57 <simonstey> +1
12:41:04 <michaelS> simonstey: can typos be changed?
12:41:06 <ivan> resolved: The WG requests the W3C Director to publish the model and the vocabulary documents as Candidate Recommendations.
12:41:07 <michaelS> ivan: yes
12:41:51 <michaelS> ivan: asked renator if the next steps are known?
12:42:15 <michaelS> renato: yes - submitting the request to the W3C directors
12:42:36 <michaelS> ivan: we need to agree on the test period of the CR
12:43:12 <michaelS> ivan: minimal time for a test period is 4 weeks
12:43:32 <michaelS> ... and the Proposed Recommencation can only be issued after the test period has closed
12:44:55 <michaelS> ... people of this WG know better when they can deliver test results
12:45:16 <michaelS> ivan: the PR should be issued in the first days of December
12:45:34 <simonstey> +q
12:45:37 <michaelS> ... period between closing test period and issuing PR should be about 2 weeks
12:46:00 <michaelS> ... as a result: the test period should close by mid-November
12:47:12 <michaelS> ivan: potential testers are Thomson Reuters, INRA, IPTC/Michael/AP, WU Vienna/Simon
12:47:27 <michaelS> ... and Victor
12:48:13 <michaelS> ivan: that's it
12:48:57 <victor> validation description here: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Validation
12:48:57 <michaelS> benws_: asked simonstey and victor : could you points us to Wiki pages or on Github for what should be used for the test
12:49:03 <victor> shapes in the git
12:49:05 <michaelS> s/test/test
12:49:09 <michaelS> s/test/tests
12:49:17 <simonstey> https://github.com/w3c/poe/tree/gh-pages/semantics/shacl
12:50:03 <michaelS> simonstey: there will be one document holding all the shapes - and a tester has to take them for checking
12:50:30 <michaelS> benws_: is the Wikipage the overall guideline for the tests?
12:50:37 <michaelS> simonstey: naja
12:51:33 <victor> _:bob odrl:assignerOf _:policy123
12:51:43 <michaelS> simonstey: a normalization is required to get a JSON-LD aligning with the IM
12:52:07 <michaelS> ... then the validation should be run against the JSON object
12:52:11 <ivan> q+
12:52:14 <ivan> ack simonstey
12:52:48 <michaelS> renato: we need some written instruction for people who have not joined the discussion of this group
12:53:15 <michaelS> ivan: 2 more questions
12:53:48 <michaelS> ... 1) is there a need to refresh the JSON-LD context and the ontology file
12:54:00 <michaelS> renato: yes, minor changes
12:54:21 <michaelS> ivan: question 2: what other documents do we want to publish?
12:54:41 <michaelS> ... now is a perfect time to work on such documents
12:54:56 <michaelS> benws_: wants to work on a Primer/Best Practices document
12:55:35 <renato> http://w3c.github.io/poe/rightsml/
12:55:53 <michaelS> ... a Formal Semantics should be created by simonstey and victor
12:56:05 <renato> http://w3c.github.io/poe/semantics/
12:56:13 <renato> http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
12:56:25 <michaelS> renato: asked michaelS: will IPTC deliver a RightsML profile
12:56:32 <simonstey> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Policy_Inference
12:56:37 <michaelS> michaelS: IPTC has plans
12:57:26 <michaelS> simonstey: re Formal Semantics: we have to check what should be covered by it,
12:57:54 <michaelS> ... maybe something in the conflict resolution area
12:58:05 <michaelS> ... more could be covered by the Best Practice document
12:58:35 <michaelS> benws_: suggest to talk to Sabrina and (?) about that issue
12:58:38 <victor> Simon's (and colleagues) paper in 2015? is a really good one which can be taken as basis; besides we have the progress Simon has just exposed
12:59:35 <victor> me
13:02:38 <michaelS> renato: re ivan: formal question regarding creating the CR document
13:02:55 <michaelS> ivan: provided the requested information
13:03:05 <michaelS> iv
13:03:50 <michaelS> ivan: it is a habit to issue the Notes with the final Recommendation. The Rec will be published in about mid-February 2018
13:04:06 <benws_> q?
13:04:14 <michaelS> benws_: any open issues
13:04:39 <michaelS> renato: thanked michaelS and simonstey for the very detailled feedback on the document
13:04:56 <michaelS> ... and thanks to victor for the implementation stuff.
13:05:40 <michaelS> ivan: are you renato or benws_ inclined to write a blog about getting the CR
13:05:46 <michaelS> benws_: will do that
13:06:42 <michaelS> LindaB: is the information about the CR open to the public?
13:06:49 <michaelS> ivan: yes
13:07:00 <michaelS> iv
13:07:01 <renato> yes
13:07:45 <michaelS> ivan: we should wait with blogs about ODRL until the CR has been published  - late September, early October
13:08:43 <benws_> q?
13:08:53 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-poe-minutes.html ivan
13:08:54 <victor> exit
13:08:56 <michaelS> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
13:08:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-poe-minutes.html michaelS
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13:09:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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13:09:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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