IRC log of i18n on 2017-09-14
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 14 September 2017
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: addison
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- Regrets: Jan, Steve(?)
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- agenda?
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- zakim, delete agendum 6
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- agendum 6, Remote Playback API, dropped
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- present_
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- present+
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Bert, addison, steve, r12a, David, andrewc, JcK
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- invite zakim
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+ andrewc
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- present+ JcK
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- Zakim, present+
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- agenda?
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- present+ JcK
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- [07:42] * Zakim 1. Agenda [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 2. Action Items [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 3. Info Share [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 4. Radar and Active Work Review [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 5. Review pending and close items [from addison] [07:43] * Zakim 6. Remote Playback API [from addison] [07:43] * Zakim 7. String-Meta [from addison] [07:43] <addison> zakim, delete agendum 6
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- Topic: Agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- action-636?
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- action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
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- close action-636
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- Closed action-636.
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- action-650?
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- action-650 -- Addison Phillips to Write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/650
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- close action-650
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- Closed action-650.
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- action-651?
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- action-651 -- Richard Ishida to Shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/651
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- close action-651
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- Closed action-651.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- addison: to be in Amman, Jordan
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- richard: just written outline for a course for the w3c edx program
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- ... something like "writing html in arabic/for arabic users"
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- TPAC AV https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2017JulSep/0149.html
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- action: addison: ensure that our TPAC AV request is filed
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- Created ACTION-652 - Ensure that our tpac av request is filed [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-21].
- 15:09:32 [r12a]
- https://r12a.github.io/app-keyevents/
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- richard: just today uploaded a new applet
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- ... key even monitor
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- ... had one years ago, but updated to match key-events
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- ... gives info about what info key event object has stored
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- ... could be handy for key events spec
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- richard: also grappling with accesskey
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- ... just writing tests
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- ... finding diff results
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- ... things we want to mention in html spec
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- ... also reviewing wcag spec
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- ... likely some input there
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- ... and possibly ui events spec
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- ... they don' tmention what happens when key produces more than one char
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- ... shift-A produces diacritic with a base character together
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- ... in FF and Safari, they key event .key value becomes both
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- ... but chrome only the last one
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- ... needs more testing
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- jck: will miss next weeks call
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- andrew: want to talk sometime about how key event monitoring
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- richard: want more documentation?
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- andrew: trying different keyboards, typing same key
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- richard: key should give you the character that keyboard produces
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- ... and code should give you the same thing, like KEY D
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- ... and modifiers tells whether you pressed shift/alt/ctrl/meta
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- andrew: third party input frameworks don't produce anything
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- ... and mac viet keyboard
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- ... some getting dead as a result
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- ... how keyboards work across plafs will be different (e.g. viet)
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- Topic: Radar
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0004.html
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- request for DNT review
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- richard: a request to review WCAG 2.1
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- ... additions to previous ver
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- ... working through and raising issues
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- richard: didn't put a WCAG label in radar yet
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Awcag
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- ... but issues at above link
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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- richard: mention that Bert has been doing some
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix.html
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- ... language matrix
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- ... scroll down you'll see Dutch
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- http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/latn-nl
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- ... gap analysis of Dutch
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- ... tricky question we need to figure out answer to
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- ... for notes/footnotes/running heads/etc.
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- ... those features are not available in any browsers at the moment
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- ... how do we mark up?
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- ... color gray? doesn't indicate work there. but orange or green... really looking for i18n specific things
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- addison: diff between broken-and-unimpl vs. unimpl?
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- richard: want to know the difference
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- ... spec vs. impl issue, maybe use a different symbol
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- Topic: Issue Review
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0101.html
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/400
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- addison: I can forward it
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- ... they're not likely to do anything with it
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413
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- jck: valid vs. invalid utf-8 codes, reference encoding is probably a good idea
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- forward with ref to encoding preferred
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- richard: if point to something, point to encoding?
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- jck: wfm
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/399
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385
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- richard: these are issues that have been raised sometime ago
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- ... fantasai asked me to go through for dispositino of comments
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- ... where input needed, marked as pending
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- ... discussion already there, but we haven't take initiative
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- ... need to read thread and make contributions
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- addison: need tracking label?
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- richard: send email around asking for input
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- action: richard: send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input
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- Created ACTION-653 - Send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388
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- richard: all of these are the same, will list all of them
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/378
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- not i18n
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- joc to raise as individual issue
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/379
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- no objections, forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/377
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/351
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/350
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- addison: is this talking about a paste operation?
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- ... capture the direction context
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- ... may want to recreate direction on a full para, but not if inserted into a larger context
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- richard: asking to have a discussion
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- ... discuss with input events people
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/349
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/211
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- richard: about delete word backwards/forwards
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- jck: also the question about which direction 'forwards' and 'backwards' means
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- addison: logical order?
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- ... logically preceeding the caret
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- andrew: LTR text with page order is influenced by arabic (bound left)
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- richard: really interesting, can you send info to list?
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- forward
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/210
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- forward
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- ACTION: Richard to forward all comments we discussed during telecon.
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- Created ACTION-654 - Forward all comments we discussed during telecon. [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].
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- Topic: AOB?
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- richard: will shorten list again
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- richard: I'm knee deep in apples, please come pick some up
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been addison, r12a, Bert, andrewc, JcK, David
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