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14:23:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:23:51 <SimonCox> Caroline_: should we vote on requirements in groups?
14:24:06 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:24:28 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: still unclear what are meaningful groupings for requirements
14:24:36 <SimonCox> ... should we extend the tagset?
14:25:16 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann vanished from voice :-(
14:25:29 <Caroline_> ack roba
14:25:56 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Sorry, I have to reload Webex, no audio at all
14:26:05 <SimonCox> roba: proposed to do initial tryout on first groupings
14:26:55 <achille_zappa> present+ achille_zappa
14:27:06 <Caroline_> can you hear us Jaroslav_Pullmann ?
14:27:11 <roba> Describe title/group "Versioning" ?
14:27:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> yes, I am back
14:27:25 <roba> Are the set of requirements complete?
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14:27:37 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
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14:27:45 <SimonCox> present+
14:27:49 <roba> Are the descriptions simple yet meaningful (in the context of the group)
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14:28:08 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:28:36 <roba> Are there other requirements that need to be in this group
14:29:15 <annette_g> +1 for tags
14:29:26 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Are there multiple dimensions of classification?
14:29:36 <SimonCox> Thanks @dsr
14:29:40 <roba> How are these requirements applicable to multiple deliverables - e.g. version semantics in DCAT, extended version models in guidance, negotiation by profile (also version?)
14:30:33 <SimonCox> 1. Describe title/group "Versioning" ? 2. Are the set of requirements complete? 3. Are the descriptions simple yet meaningful (in the context of the group) 4. How are these requirements applicable to multiple deliverables - e.g. version semantics in DCAT, extended version models in guidance, negotiation by profile (also version?)
14:31:31 <Caroline_> ack q?
14:31:31 <SimonCox> (Roba suggestions to focus treatment)
14:31:39 <SimonCox> Caroline_: makes sense to me
14:31:41 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:31:45 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:32:31 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Is there a single hierarchy/classification dimension?
14:33:01 <SimonCox> ... is a requirement part of versioning, QA, distribution
14:33:23 <Caroline_> q?
14:33:24 <SimonCox> ... multiple tags required to detect that a requirement applies to several groupings
14:33:35 <SimonCox> q+
14:33:40 <Caroline_> ack SimonCox
14:34:13 <Caroline_> SimonCox: it feels like we had a group as part of the use cases and the we are teasing them apart to get the requirements
14:34:13 <roba> q+
14:34:47 <alejandra> q+
14:35:09 <Caroline_> ... I like roba suggestion that we run through an exercise to see how it goes but I am concerned how long we will take
14:35:24 <SimonCox> roba: grouping in UCs was not so formal
14:35:54 <SimonCox> ... tags in UC document not so formal or useful. Allowed us to test the JS ;-)
14:36:19 <SimonCox> ... is it reasonable to say "here are all the versioning requirements"
14:36:30 <SimonCox> ... we will know that when we've given it a try
14:36:36 <Caroline_> q+
14:36:39 <Caroline_> ack roba
14:37:02 <SimonCox> ... all very complicated, trying to mitigate risk of multiple incompatible solutions
14:37:08 <Caroline_> ack alejandra
14:37:23 <SimonCox> ... to requirments that weren't quite grouped right
14:37:37 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:38:24 <Makx_> +1 to alejandra
14:38:26 <SimonCox> alejandra: lets analyse the requirements and not burn time grouping
14:38:50 <SimonCox> Caroline_: maybe we can give actions to some group members who are willing to work on specific res
14:39:04 <SimonCox> ... e.g. who is willing to work on Versioning group?
14:39:35 <SimonCox> q+
14:39:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Caroline, waht would be the "set"?
14:39:47 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/waht/what/
14:39:50 <annette_g> Q+
14:39:53 <Caroline_> ack Caroline_
14:39:56 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:40:16 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: good proposal - use groupings to govern work programme
14:40:42 <Caroline_> ack SimonCox
14:40:55 <Caroline_> annette_g:
14:41:03 <SimonCox> ... lets look at groups now and get volunteers
14:41:08 <Caroline_> s/annette_g:
14:41:13 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
14:41:19 <SimonCox> annette_g: grouping shoudl be 'by deliverable'
14:41:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:41:30 <Caroline_> s/shoudl/should
14:41:46 <aisaac> annette_g++
14:41:49 <SimonCox> ... worried about smaller groupings, applying to small pieces of deliverable
14:42:11 <SimonCox> ... requirements should inform the deliverables systematically
14:42:19 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:42:21 <SimonCox> ... editors need list per deliverable
14:42:42 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: tags for deliverables already in place
14:43:06 <SimonCox> ... when can we shring them down to more practical lots of work
14:43:20 <SimonCox> annette_g: lets see requirements sorted by deliverable
14:43:43 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: will change JS prototype to achieve this
14:43:52 <SimonCox> ... filtering
14:44:15 <aisaac> q+
14:44:22 <SimonCox> Action: Jaroslav_Pullmann to provide different views on filtered content in UCR document
14:44:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Provide different views on filtered content in ucr document [on Jaroslav Pullmann - due 2017-09-18].
14:44:36 <Caroline_> ack aisaac
14:45:22 <SimonCox> Again: this document https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Comparison_and_analysis_of_W3C_UCR_documents
14:46:40 <SimonCox> This is the one we are working on https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/
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14:48:00 <SimonCox> roba: 'profiles', 'versioning', 'functional descriptions of distributions' so far
14:48:23 <SimonCox> ... the rest look a bit like 'lots more metadata' ...
14:48:38 <SimonCox> ... will now try to pull out next set of groups
14:49:08 <Caroline_> q?
14:49:25 <SimonCox> ... are the descriptions of requirements (and groupings) OK as they are currently in https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/
14:49:49 <Makx> present+ Makx
14:50:11 <SimonCox> Caroline_: tagging is important, but more important to have 'overview', not just tags
14:50:17 <alejandra> present+
14:50:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:50:25 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:50:41 <SimonCox> Action: all to provide feedback to UCR editors on requirements organization
14:50:41 <trackbot> Error finding 'all'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
14:50:49 <annette_g> @caroline do you mean a summary for each group?
14:51:10 <roba> two needs going forward: the "next group" to organise and feedback on the level of detail on the groups already made (profiles, versions, fine grained description of datasets and distributions
14:52:11 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: could we agree to select one of the groupings, assign responsibilities
14:52:35 <SimonCox> ... Jaroslav_Pullmann will looka t versioning, see if grouping/wording is complete
14:52:36 <SimonCox> ... etc
14:52:45 <Caroline_> q?
14:53:21 <SimonCox> Action: Jaroslav_Pullmann to review 'versioning' group
14:53:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Review 'versioning' group [on Jaroslav Pullmann - due 2017-09-18].
14:53:46 <SimonCox> roba: will not review his own work!
14:54:09 <SimonCox> ... someone else to find next priority group?
14:54:24 <Ixchel> I agree with roba on his point.
14:54:41 <SimonCox> Caroline_: Volunteers to do the requested review?
14:55:22 <SimonCox> Sorry - not me, I'm travelling then on vacation next three weeks (yipee!)
14:55:56 <SimonCox> Caroline_: Any hands up??? People!
14:56:09 <alejandra> q+
14:56:23 <SimonCox> Profiles ?
14:56:47 <SimonCox> roba: maybe reuben, lars on Profiles?
14:56:57 <alejandra> q-
14:57:06 <alejandra> q+
14:57:14 <Caroline_> ack alejandra
14:57:26 <SimonCox> Action: Caroline_ to ping lars and Reuben re reviewing Profiles grouping
14:57:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Ping lars and reuben re reviewing profiles grouping [on Caroline Burle - due 2017-09-18].
14:57:52 <Caroline_> +1 to alejandra that all group should review the requirements
14:58:19 <SimonCox> alejandra: all should try to contribute
14:58:48 <SimonCox> Caroline_: did Jaroslav_Pullmann do Action 31?
14:59:03 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: yes, but could not close
14:59:21 <SimonCox> Caroline_: Any other actions to close today?
14:59:43 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
14:59:57 <SimonCox> ... meeting good in moving forward understanding, not so many closed actions.
14:59:59 <Makx> thanks, bye bye
15:00:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye
15:00:02 <annette_g> Bye all!
15:00:05 <dsr> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:00:06 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> thanks, bye
15:00:07 <alejandra> thanks and bye all!
15:00:07 <AndreaPerego> Bye!
15:00:07 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
15:00:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Bye!
15:00:30 <SimonCox> RRSAgent: generate minutes
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15:01:41 <SimonCox> @dsr we will need your help massaging minutes - do you need my text log?
15:01:54 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Data Exchange Working Group Teleconference
15:01:59 <AndreaPerego> chair: Caroline
15:02:07 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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15:02:23 <dsr> yes, I have saved the irc log and will patch up the minutes tomorrow
15:02:44 <AndreaPerego> regets+ LarsG, Thomas D'haenens
15:02:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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15:02:56 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ LarsG, Thomas D'haenens
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15:03:11 <AndreaPerego> s/regets+ LarsG, Thomas D'haenens//
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15:05:25 <AndreaPerego> present+ Caroline, Stijn, RobA, Jaroslav, AnnetteG
15:05:27 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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15:07:44 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.09.11
15:07:47 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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