IRC log of silver on 2017-09-08
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- Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 08 September 2017
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- chair: jeanne
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- regrets+ Shawn
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- agenda+ Silver Surveys Strategy update
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- agenda+ Interviews Proposal
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- agenda+ Open action items https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/track/actions/open review
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ Silver Surveys Strategy update
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- agenda+ Interviews Proposal
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- agenda+ Open action items https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/track/actions/open review
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- Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 08 September 2017
- 13:37:33 [SarahHorton]
- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ Silver Surveys Strategy update
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- agenda+ Interviews Proposal
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- agenda+ Open action items https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/track/actions/open review
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Silver Surveys Strategy update" taken up [from SarahHorton]
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- present+ Jeanne, Sarah, Dave, Jan
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- Groups reviews conformance model interview structure
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- Dave: Refine this approach, use for other interviews
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- s/interview structure/survey structure
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- s/other interviews/other surveys
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- Jan: Will we have targeted surveys to specific roles?
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- Dave: Hope this will emerge as we work through questions
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- Dave: Document available for revision and editing offline
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- present+ Jennison
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- present+ Jemma
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- Jemma: We need to clarify what we mean when we talk about conformance
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- Jeanne: A, AA, AAA — all or nothing conformance
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- Jeanne: It's the structure that's set up to say whether or not people pass
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- Jeanne: Need to conform or be N/A
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- Jeanne: Part of reason WCAG accepted around the world, clear and flexible
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- Dave: Questions can include "I don't know what this means" option
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- Jeanne: Want to understand impact of conformance model
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- Jeanne: We now have option of not having conformance model
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- Dave: Need to make sure we focus on exploratory research
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- Jennison: Will we have a scale in asking "how effective" questions
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- Jennison: Effective, meets needs?
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- Dave: Conformance model versus guidelines, need to make sure people respond about the conformance model
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- Jeanne: Could ask specific questions related to A, AA, AAA rather than "conformance model"
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- Jeanne: May need to leave some open ended
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- Jeanne: Things technologically difficulty in 2008, things that were not readily testable, went into AAA
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- Dave: Need to learn more about SCs at AAA
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- Dave: What's best way for digital resource providers to declare conformance
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- Jemma: Likes suggestion of referencing A, AA, AA rather than conformance model
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- Sarah: How do we deal with scope and time?
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- Jennison: Big challenge with multiple releases in a day
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- Jennison: Will these be surveys or interviews?
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- Dave: Surveys initially, but if some questions are too difficult can designate for interviews
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- Jennison: Thinking about analysis and results
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- Dave: With each question, think about type of response and whether we can produce something meaningful
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- Dave: Exploratory survey, data is more difficult to analyze
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- Jennison: Are these surveys this group will adminster?
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- Jeanne: These are ones we are going to do
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- Dave: Prioritized research questions, identified questions that would work with surveys
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- Dave: Still have to be reasonable with available time
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- Dave: Creating process to take research question into sub-questions
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- Jemma: Do we have schedule/timeframe?
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- Jeanne: Doing prototype work in March
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- Jeanne: Research written up in February
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- Jeanne: Research done in November
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- Jemma: What is activity at TPAC in November?
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- Jennison: Opportunity to ask research questions, that time is open to how we want to use it
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- Dave: Questions are ready to be asked in any forum
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- Jennison: Should put TPAC meeting on agenda for future meeting
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- Jennison: What do need to know for prototyping exercise at CSUN
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- Jennison: Can we push of reseach questions that we don't need to prototyping
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- s/reseach/research
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- Sarah: Can we figure out what questions we need to answer to use for prototyping exercise
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- Sarah: Pull together everything we have for the prototype exercise
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- Jeanne: Add to agenda next Friday
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- Dave: Good to think about priorities for prototyping exercise
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- Dave: Will help us focus time
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- Sarah: Even a few perspectives will be helpful to provide context
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- Sarah: Listening lab approach works, themes surface
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- Jennison: Bay area meeting could be a good context for listening session
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- Jennison: With CSUN session fall before or after conference?
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- s/With/Will
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- Jennison: Need to publicize so people can make travel plans
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- Jan: Klaus wants to do special edition of journal, might be opportunity to get research published
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- Jan: CSUN scientific journal to help support Silver taskforce
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- Jan: Doesn't have timeline, have not met yet
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- http://www.csun.edu/cod/journal
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- Jan: This would be a special edition
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- Dave: Add more comments and suggestions to conformance model questions
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- Dave: Have translators ready to go
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