IRC log of i18n on 2017-09-07
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 September 2017
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0002.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: addison
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- agenda+ Agenda
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- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ Review pending and close items
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- agenda+ Remote Playback API
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- agenda+ String-Meta
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- present+
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- present+ addison
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- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: Bert, addison
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- On IRC I see Steve_Atkin, David, florian, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, andrewc, tantek, r12a, xfq, koji, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot, fantasai
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- present+ steve
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- present+ r12a
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- present+ David
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- present+ andrewc
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- present+ JcK
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- action-636?
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- action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/111
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- action-647?
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- action-647 -- Richard Ishida to Send list of review items for next week (pendings and close? items) -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/647
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- close action-647
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- Closed action-647.
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- action-648?
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- action-648 -- Richard Ishida to Ask mongolian ad hoc group to use our list -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/648
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- Zakim, present+
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- close action-648
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- Closed action-648.
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- action-649?
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- action-649 -- Addison Phillips to Reply to whatwg 2945 translatehint issue with wg opinion -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/649
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- close action-649
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- Closed action-649.
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- david: small piece
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- ... looking at jdk9 spec
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- ... aiming to do better bidi support
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- addison: maybe making isolation work?
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- richard: tpac is coming!
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- ... the goose is getting fat
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- ... consider registering
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- ... if you wish to attend
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8043825
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- https://www.chinaw3c.org/tpac2017-overview.html
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: Bert, addison, steve, r12a, David, andrewc, JcK
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- On IRC I see David, Klensin, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, andrewc, r12a, xfq, koji, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot, fantasai
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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- richard: talked to shervin and he'll try to produce something for arabic (gap review)
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- bert: looking at dutch, not finished yet
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- ... will send
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- richard: when you get to paged media stuff
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- ... are there i18n features that are not supported. lots of features not supported
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- ... but we're only considering the i18n ones
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- ... things such as making page turn direction in arabic
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- agenda?
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- richard: the ij thing might be one, it's unicode related
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- ... maybe important to consider
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Review pending and close items" taken up [from addison]
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- zakim, take up agendum 6
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- agendum 6. "Remote Playback API" taken up [from addison]
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/274#issuecomment-327103198
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- action: addison: write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete
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- Created ACTION-650 - Write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-14].
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Review pending and close items" taken up [from addison]
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0088.html
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/473
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- richard: maybe too late
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- ... but don't like the word justify here
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- ... this is about aligning or arranging
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- ... I wish to tilt at this windmill please?
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- addison: agree
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- david: use of justify is unjustifiable
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- bert: problem css knows about, but hasn't come to satifying conclusion
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- ... words are internally consistent, but words overloaded
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- ... haven't found anything better, variations of 'align' are equally obscure
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- richard: suggesting 'arrange', notice that powerpoint uses the word
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- ... question is whether CSS Grid went out and use justify?
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- bert: not sure if all of them
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/474
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- richard: asking for a brief summary of what happens in simple cases
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- addison: is that really an i18n comment?
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- richard: well, has to do with which baseline
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- bert: thought there use to be illustrations?
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- richard: still exist in another spec
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- ... didn't manage to make that connect to what they say here
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- (possibly line module??)
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- (no objections)
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/396
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- richard: matches items to a list
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- ... matches capital and lowercase in list
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- ... should we do normalization too?
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- http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#handlingCaseFolding
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- addison: turkish for example
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- andrew: vietnamese input methods may require normalization
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- ... user may not be inputting the same string
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- ... for the same word
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- richard: really useful feature though
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- ... use in uniview
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- jck: gray area between identifier case and free text case
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- addison: if we don't say anything, the default implementation will be ascii friendly and break down from there
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- https://github.com/w3c/string-search
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- jck: "don't charge naively ahead"
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- david: a rider on that is to say "before you try anything, try normalizing"
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- jck: agree
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- addison: wouldn't apply a K because it damages too much
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- david: should say bahave "as if" NFC
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- ... use as-if to avoid requiring the actual normalization
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- addison: case fold still a thing
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- ... written things like this
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- ... fold wide/narrow? fold kana?
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- ... "opened a nest of snakes"
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- bert: found in an editor that suggests options, really annoying
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- ... what does the author mean by this, are these specific options?
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- ... up to browser to be smart about it
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- addison: spec could allow implementations to compete on this
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- richard: sounds really useful but opened a nest of snakes
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- david: take into account user's locale
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- addison: or page language content
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- richard: and give examples
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- richard: will draft comment and submit it
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- https://github.com/w3c/string-search
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
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- richard: they say no modifiers but examples are all uppercase letters
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- (discussion of various things such as numbers on some keyboards, some syllabaries, etc.)
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- richard: so what does "modifier" mean?
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- andrew: technically includes shift
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- jck: needs to be very clear what they are talking about
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- andrew: defined as single unicode code point
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- ... but keyboards aren't limited that way
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- addison: didn't we have this issue?
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- richard: yes, steve raised this before
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- steve: can't remember which spec, but yes
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- ... have to look
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- richard: chaals involved in discuss?
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- okay to send
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- richard: owl-time all need to be closed?
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- addison: will look at and close
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- richard: will issue a new list for next week
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- Topic: AOB?
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- Action: Richard to shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion
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- Created ACTION-651 - Shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-14].
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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- Bert, i should send you a template to fill in for your dutch gap analysis and explain how it works
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- (very simple)
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- it may be useful to have a v quick voice call for that, if you have some spare time
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- I was writing a simple e-mail, but a form might be handy, indeed.
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- If it is short, why not right now? It's still rush hour, so I'm not leaving for another half hour...
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- ok, skype ?
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- webex?
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- Bert ^^
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- Whichever. https://mit.webex.com/meet/bbos or bert.bos or +33 4 92 38 76 92
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- joining your webex room
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- http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa
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- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/typography/gh-pages/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa.html
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