14:00:20 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:00:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-irc 14:00:26 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 14:00:50 Present+ Fuqiao_Xue 14:01:09 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:01:14 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:01:31 Present+ Alexander_Shalamov 14:02:43 ScribeNick: anssik 14:02:50 TOPIC: agenda review, announcements 14:02:59 New Staff Contact: Fuqiao Xue 14:03:14 hi 14:03:14 xfq: recently joined W3C Staff 14:03:27 ... you can find me from GH as xfq 14:04:24 dom: introductions 14:05:23 anssik: from Intel, editor of specifications in this group and elsewhere, chair of Second Screen WG & Web NFC CG 14:05:53 kenneth: from Intel, editor of Web NFC, Web App Manifest, some sensor specs, working on Chrome and web standards 14:06:36 mikhail: from Intel, editor of Generic Sensor API and concrete sensors, working on Chrome too 14:07:07 shalamov: Alex from Intel, working on Web NFC and the Generic Sensor API, located in Finland with Mikhail and Anssi 14:07:24 Present+ Wanming_Lin 14:07:31 Andrey_Logvinov: from Yandex, editor of the Wake Lock API specification 14:07:49 Present+ Kenneth_Christiansen 14:08:11 Wanming_Lin: from Intel, test facilitator in this group 14:08:44 dom: need to discuss with Frederick if we can find a new time for the call, since key contributors are EU based 14:09:01 dom: announcement: HTML Media Capture published as revised CR 14:09:07 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/0018.html 14:09:18 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uccigfMg/ 14:09:40 TOPIC: Minutes approval 14:10:13 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017 14:10:13 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html 14:10:21 RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 29 June 2017 14:10:21 17:10 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/att-0017/minutes-2017-06-29.html 14:10:26 Topic: Sensor APIs 14:10:43 dom: good activity over summer, publication on TR 14:11:00 ... overview of the work and status, and roadmap to completion 14:11:08 ... for Level 1, and wide review 14:11:41 anssik: over the summer we have addressed all level 1 issues that impact the implementation 14:11:53 ... which requried normative changes ot the spec 14:12:08 ... we have stabilized the implementation and have agreement to start origin trial in Chrome 62 14:12:14 We intend to experiment with the Accelerometer, LinearAccelerationSensor, Gyroscope, AbsoluteOrientationSensor and RelativeOrientationSensor interfaces 14:12:35 ... the list was chosen because these APIs don't expose new features 14:12:44 ... they are replacement for DeviceMotion and DeviceOrientation 14:13:00 ... for the first phase of the origin trial we want to get feedback from developers on the API shape and ergonomics 14:13:12 ... based on tha tfeedback, we might adjust the API and expand the scope 14:13:32 ... we're starting outreach on the API toward developers 14:13:44 ... the origin trial will run over the course over 3 major releases 14:13:56 ... by EOY we should get a good amount of feedback from web developers 14:14:34 ... I have 2 proposals: A - with the current spec, we could publish a CR soonish, and if the feedback from Web developers motivate change, we might need to revise it 14:14:46 ... B - we wait until we get that feedback, and only then publish CR 14:17:04 dom: either plan sound fine - main question is whether we want to signal we're done or not - I think we're kind in the middle 14:17:38 ... to go to CR, we need to get our wide reviews done, and get our issues closed 14:19:53 scribenick: xfq 14:19:55 dom: privacy and security issues 14:19:57 dom: if we go to CR, we need to ensure a) we have completed all wide reviews, and b) agree on scope i.e. Generic Sensor API only or Generic Sensor API + some set of concrete sensor specs 14:19:57 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Aug/att-0017/das-review.pdf 14:20:08 ... we need to do wide reviews 14:20:12 Andrey_Logvinov has joined #dap 14:20:54 dom: we did wide reviews for generic sensors and ambient light 14:21:59 anssik: it's kind of better to review the sensor API specs as a set 14:22:21 anssik: prefer to do wide review for Generic Sensor API, Ambient Light Sensor, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Magnetometer, Orientation Sensor together 14:22:54 dom: I suggest we call the attention of the WebVR CG 14:23:32 dom: should reach out to WebVR CG too since the work is of interest to them 14:23:48 https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/249 14:23:57 https://github.com/w3c/webvr/issues/250 14:25:20 dom: per the wide review process the chair to do the wide review requests to all horizontal groups 14:26:21 ACTION: Dom to work with Frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer 14:26:24 Created ACTION-805 - Work with frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-09-14]. 14:26:29 kenneth_: should include also the Motion Explainer in the review 14:27:36 dom: how should we approach the WebVG CG 14:27:41 ACTION: Anssi to get in touch with WebVR CG on wide review of motion sensor specs 14:27:44 anssik: I can take an action on it 14:27:44 Created ACTION-806 - Get in touch with webvr cg on wide review of motion sensor specs [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2017-09-14]. 14:28:35 dom: could transition to CR around October assuming wide review feedback is addressed 14:30:41 https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/155 14:32:45 https://w3ctag.github.io/security-questionnaire/ 14:35:37 https://w3c.github.io/ambient-light/#security-and-privacy 14:36:08 https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#mitigation-strategies 14:38:30 dom: it might be that completing the questionnaire for Generic Sensor API will address most security and privacy concerns, but still need to double check the concrete specs adhere too 14:38:44 ACTION-805: For TAG, create a bundle issue for all sensors preferably 14:38:44 Notes added to ACTION-805 Work with frederick on getting a wide review question on sensor specs (- proximity), pointing out motion sensors explainer. 14:39:04 ACTION: Alexander to run self-review questionnaire on sensor specs 14:39:05 Created ACTION-807 - Run self-review questionnaire on sensor specs [on Alexander Shalamov - due 2017-09-14]. 14:39:36 Topic: Wake Lock 14:39:52 dom: started wide review for Wake Lock API 14:40:14 ... if we don't get new blocking issues we advance to CR next month 14:41:20 Andrey_Logvinov: spec in its current state not implemented anywhere 14:41:37 dom: the spec is in good shape, so now ready for implementation 14:41:48 TOPIC: Battery 14:43:59 https://github.com/w3c/battery/pull/13 14:46:06 anssik: PR #13 in review, after landed and implemented in Chrome, can publish revised CR 14:47:03 dom: do we need another review from WebAppSec/PING before revising CR? 14:49:23 anssik: not sure if that's needed/useful 14:49:47 ACTION: Dom to look into the need to get wide review of revised battery 14:49:49 Created ACTION-808 - Look into the need to get wide review of revised battery [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-09-14]. 14:49:57 TOPIC: Rechartering 14:50:25 dom: our charter expires EOY, we have work to complete beyond that date 14:50:52 ... talked to Jeffrey asking if WebBT would like to migrate to WG 14:51:14 ... Jeffrey prefers to stay in incubation until another implementer is interested 14:51:19 https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/29 14:51:28 https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/30 14:51:41 ... another issue, bring WebNFC to this WG, the same for WebUSB 14:51:50 s/bring/whether to bring/ 14:52:15 ... also proposal to stop joint work on Media Capture TF 14:52:29 ... this will minimize admin overhead 14:52:52 ... adding more sensors to the DAS WG scope, in particular enviromental sensors 14:54:01 ... also recast Geolocation API on top of Generic Sensor, and adopt old DeviceOrientation API maintenance 14:57:41 https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues 15:00:25 dom: next call in two weeks 15:00:46 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:00:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html dom 15:01:18 RRSAgent, make log public 15:01:45 Meeting: DAS Working Group teleconference 15:01:47 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:01:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html dom 15:01:52 Chair: Dom 15:01:57 Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch 15:02:05 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:02:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html dom 15:02:23 i/ dom: should reach out to WebVR CG/ScribeNick: anssik 15:02:25 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:02:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-dap-minutes.html dom 15:11:46 Andrey_Logvinov has joined #dap 17:29:03 shalamov has joined #dap 17:34:22 shalamov has joined #dap 18:10:37 zkis has joined #dap 19:01:48 zkis has joined #dap