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13:27:49 <lisa> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
13:27:49 <Zakim> ok, lisa
13:28:10 <lisa> regrets: mike pluke
13:35:23 <lisa> agenda: this
13:35:24 <lisa> agenda+  updates on TPAC, personlization TF, other updates. https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
13:35:26 <lisa> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
13:35:27 <lisa>  agenda+  new issue papers emotional updates on bots and navigation
13:35:29 <lisa> agenda+ be done
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14:06:08 <lisa> scribe: AndyHeath
14:06:12 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
14:06:22 <lisa> present+
14:06:32 <AndyHeath> present+ AndyHeath
14:06:36 <lisa> zakim, item 1
14:06:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 1', lisa
14:06:45 <lisa> zakim, agenda item 1
14:06:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda item 1', lisa
14:06:49 <EA> present+
14:07:10 <JohnRochford> q+
14:07:22 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:07:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "updates on TPAC, personlization TF, other updates. https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/" taken up [from lisa]
14:08:01 <lisa> agenda+ understanding section
14:08:24 <AndyHeath> JOhn Rovchford: please add agenda item on accessible authentucation
14:08:34 <AndyHeath> Lisa: will be part of the update
14:08:35 <lisa> agenda+ todo and next steps
14:08:45 <AndyHeath> Lisa: add item on todo lists
14:09:07 <lisa>  https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
14:09:24 <AndyHeath> Lisa will attend TPAC
14:09:35 <AndyHeath> also Jan and John Kirkwood
14:09:47 <lisa> action: lisa to tell thad about tpac
14:09:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Tell thad about tpac [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-09-14].
14:10:20 <AndyHeath> hope to have some time on Coga
14:10:33 <AndyHeath> anyone have an office nearby?
14:10:52 <EA> q+
14:11:14 <AndyHeath> Jan and Andy are interested in joining the personalisation task force
14:11:33 <AndyHeath> Andy: has had some difficulties and is working on it
14:11:35 <lisa> ack j
14:12:02 <Neil> Neil has joined #COGA
14:12:32 <EA> sorry will check mic
14:12:52 <EA> will Thad be able to help with specific writing of articles?
14:13:37 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Michael will help with joining the personalisation YFif needed
14:13:37 <EA> Yes please as he really was a wonderful help with some writing
14:13:51 <AndyHeath> s/YFif/TF if/
14:15:12 <Jan> Jan has joined #coga
14:16:16 <AndyHeath> Agenda item: understanding section of accessible auhtenitcation-: draft will be published by Machaeil in a few days
14:16:31 <AndyHeath> s/Machaeil/Michael/
14:16:54 <AndyHeath> John will raise it with Michael
14:17:45 <AndyHeath> Agenda item: planning
14:18:34 <AndyHeath> what should we be doing next - get a feel for direction
14:19:24 <AndyHeath> roadmap supplement has all the info on how to build content thta we know about at the moment - getting this all in shape is urgent so as to have somewhere to point people at
14:20:41 <AndyHeath> Keeping stuff in WCAG is important - buiding techniques, improving understanding sections
14:21:15 <AndyHeath> Issue papers on navigation and bots
14:21:26 <AndyHeath> \issue
14:21:54 <AndyHeath> updating the roadmap with issue papers that didn’t make it into the first draft is important
14:22:38 <lisa> action: lisa make timeline
14:22:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-230 - Make timeline [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-09-14].
14:22:43 <Jan> q+
14:23:00 <lisa> ack e
14:23:12 <lisa> ack j
14:23:36 <AndyHeath> Jan: on the timeline put a column for people to sign up for stuff to work on
14:23:38 <lisa> action: lisa make timeline
14:23:39 <JohnRochford> q+
14:23:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-231 - Make timeline [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-09-14].
14:23:46 <lisa> ack j
14:24:49 <AndyHeath> JohnRochford: languishing tasks - wayfinding, john kirkwood has worked on it somewhat
14:25:15 <AndyHeath> also devices such as Alexa - bots
14:25:54 <lisa> q?
14:28:18 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:28:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "the supplement, moving forward https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#" taken up [from lisa]
14:28:50 <JohnRochford> Clarification: John Rochford created and submitted a Wayfinding issue paper draft months ago. John Kirkwood is working on his portion of it.
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14:30:11 <AndyHeath> Lisa: John can you find the link
14:30:43 <Pietro> Present+
14:30:46 <AndyHeath> john will send that to Lisa
14:32:00 <AndyHeath> JohnRochford: best not to refer to it as bots (there are bad bots). Maybe call them conversational interfaces
14:32:34 <Jan> q+
14:32:59 <AndyHeath> Neil: Happy to work on the paper with you John
14:33:11 <AndyHeath> Lisa: would also like to
14:33:30 <AndyHeath> Lisa will set up a template in google docs
14:33:41 <lisa> action: template in google docs for converationanal  interfaces
14:33:41 <trackbot> Error finding 'template'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
14:33:53 <lisa> action: lisa make template in google docs for converationanal  interfaces
14:33:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Make template in google docs for converationanal  interfaces [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-09-14].
14:34:52 <AndyHeath> Introduction of new member: Jim Griesner
14:35:15 <lisa> level access
14:35:59 <Neil> Q+
14:36:19 <AndyHeath> Jim; Level Access is consolidating the accessibility industry by buying every one
14:36:40 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/
14:36:56 <AndyHeath> Meil: the influx of external money is interesting
14:37:52 <AndyHeath> s/Meil/Neil/
14:37:55 <lisa> q?
14:38:03 <lisa> ack j\
14:38:08 <lisa> ack  j
14:38:39 <lisa> scott soliar
14:38:51 <AndyHeath> Jan: Scott Hollier has done much IoT research
14:38:51 <Jan> scott hollier
14:40:27 <AndyHeath> Lisa: WCAG 2.1 will be published in the next few days so please give it your attention
14:40:45 <AndyHeath> disseminate the draft widely please
14:41:38 <lisa> ack n
14:41:45 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/
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14:42:51 <AndyHeath> Lisa: many success criteria didn’t get in to 2.1 or were watered down
14:43:18 <AndyHeath> The roadmap will be the place to document this stuff
14:43:58 <Jan> Google is giving me an error, so I can't call up Scott Hollier's Google Doc right now.  I will try again later if I can't get to it during this call and I will submit the information to the list.
14:44:03 <AndyHeath> Please look at the doc and review, do we like the themes and sections
14:44:17 <AndyHeath> then we can start filling out the detail
14:44:20 <lisa> present+
14:44:32 <Neil> present+
14:44:32 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:44:36 <Jan> present+ JanMcSorley
14:44:37 <Jim> present+
14:44:42 <JohnRochford> Jim, IRC = Internet Relay Chat
14:44:51 <lisa> q?
14:47:43 <EA> Q+
14:48:02 <AndyHeath> Jim: are we looking at cognition and memroy
14:48:07 <AndyHeath> lisa: yes
14:48:17 <AndyHeath> s/memroy/memory
14:48:45 <lisa> q?
14:49:07 <EA> So would I!
14:49:23 <AndyHeath> EA: is not audible :-(
14:49:33 <EA> spreading the news to those interested in coga is not easy if we send too much information
14:49:46 <EA> Is there one place we can send them?
14:49:47 <JohnRochford> EA has endless trouble with technology. That's all my fault.
14:50:43 <AndyHeath> Lisa: this document will be the one place for everything
14:50:46 <EA> I like it when some one takes the blame for my laptop!! Yes the doc will be good if we do not include so many user needs that we befuddle them! Thinking Andy's work
14:52:23 <JohnRochford> Must leave to attend low vision task force call.
14:52:35 <lisa> thnks John
14:52:43 <EA> Yes that is the point - ISO and WCAG links
14:53:35 <lisa> scribe: lisa
14:53:57 <lisa> andy: the post on issue papers are so close to being userneeds
14:54:21 <EA> Yes common recognition in relation to Coga for this document.
14:54:38 <lisa> andy: crossrefrences
14:54:51 <lisa> scribe: andyheath
14:55:10 <Jim> If we identify user needs, do we also identify what prevents user needs from being met in the technology?
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14:56:46 <EA> The user needs have different categories in the ISO but maybe the first task is to see where they fit with the coga roadmap
14:56:51 <Neil> Welcome AlastairC :)
14:57:42 <EA> Yes the categories match some of the themes
14:58:22 <EA> We can use the WCAG names and also sub categories with explanations
14:58:27 <lisa> wave alastairC
14:58:27 <Neil> There is always next time
14:59:27 <AndyHeath> Lisa: need for a side conversation on not losing stuff in wcag that we have there
14:59:38 <lisa> alastairC  would you be interested in that
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15:00:32 <AndyHeath> Lisa: will write to a few people - Alisair, John Foliot, maybe an open email to wcag
15:00:47 <lisa> action: lisa ask wcag who would like to have a call on how to minimise the risk to sc's
15:00:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Ask wcag who would like to have a call on how to minimise the risk to sc's [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-09-14].
15:04:13 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
15:04:23 <lisa> rrsagent, create minutes
15:04:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-minutes.html lisa
15:04:56 <lisa> zakim, please part
15:04:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, lisa, AndyHeath, EA, Pietro, Neil, JanMcSorley, Jim
15:04:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #coga
15:05:07 <lisa> rrsagent,  please part
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-actions.rdf :
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to tell thad about tpac [1]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T14-09-47
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa make timeline [2]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T14-22-38
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa make timeline [3]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T14-23-38
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: template in google docs for converationanal  interfaces [4]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T14-33-41
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa make template in google docs for converationanal  interfaces [5]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T14-33-53
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa ask wcag who would like to have a call on how to minimise the risk to sc's [6]
15:05:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-coga-irc#T15-00-47