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11:52:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:52:26 <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2017
11:52:47 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170904
11:53:03 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda 2017-09-04:  https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170904
11:53:11 <ivan> Chair: Renato
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12:23:42 <lindab> present+
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12:27:03 <ivan> present+
12:28:03 <renato> present+
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12:33:33 <ivan> Chair: Ben
12:33:43 <michaelS> scribe: michaelS
12:33:50 <michaelS> scribenick: michaelS
12:33:59 <michaelS> Topic: last week's minutes
12:34:10 <simonstey> regrets+ Sabrina
12:34:12 <ivan> resolved: minutes are fine
12:34:23 <michaelS> benws_: no objection, took them as passed
12:34:23 <ivan> topic: github project issues
12:34:37 <michaelS> Topic: Github Project Issues
12:34:53 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/projects/1
12:34:54 <michaelS> renato: got some in the past days
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12:35:07 <CarolineB> present+ CarolineB
12:35:09 <michaelS> ... got some issues by email
12:35:49 <michaelS> ... main one is the Rule Processing 2.6.8 in the IM
12:36:03 <renato> https://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#rule-process
12:36:52 <michaelS> renato: Has changed the text of this section - and michaelS has suggested to add a note about the processing implementation
12:37:11 <michaelS> ... should be closed. Is the current phrasing ok?
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12:37:29 <michaelS> benws_: came across 2 issues
12:37:58 <michaelS> benws_: ... one is the use of the term Not-/Violated
12:38:18 <michaelS> ... the second one: refinements have not role in the Rule Processing
12:38:32 <michaelS> renato: go over the refinement rule
12:39:14 <simonstey> +q
12:39:44 <Serena> present+ Serena
12:41:47 <michaelS> all: discussion can a refinement be checked prior to taking the action of a Permission
12:42:12 <simonstey> q-
12:43:33 <michaelS> benws_: a refinement applies to a Rule
12:50:22 <benws_> q?
12:50:38 <michaelS> all: discussion about the terminology of rule outcomes
12:52:49 <simonstey> +q
12:54:05 <michaelS> ... should the outcome be Not-/Active or Rule-specific (Not-/Exercisable)
12:55:25 <simonstey> q-
12:58:41 <michaelS> Agreed: If an action is taken as "exercised" its optional refinements must be satisfied.
13:00:34 <michaelS> benws_: only Not/Active is required
13:01:04 <simonstey> +q
13:01:57 <michaelS> michaelS: what is covered by setting the Active state: only the satisfaction of constraints?
13:02:49 <michaelS> benws_: we should not define why a rule is Not-/Active
13:04:02 <michaelS> simonstey: we currently do not consider in the 2.6.8 is if the Rule applies e.g. to a target or an assignee
13:04:45 <benws_> q?
13:04:47 <michaelS> michaelS: q+
13:04:55 <benws_> ack s
13:05:33 <ivan> q?
13:07:30 <michaelS> all: discussion about now a Prohibition gets Not/Active
13:13:17 <renato> :-(
13:14:13 <renato> ok
13:14:20 <michaelS> The group went over the examples and the Truth Tables
13:19:49 <victor> q+
13:20:24 <michaelS> benws_: Root nodes have different processing rules than nested Duties
13:24:55 <victor> q+
13:25:13 <michaelS> benws_: IM example 24 - JSON does not comply with the free text description
13:26:55 <victor> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/242
13:27:03 <benws_> q?
13:27:09 <benws_> ack
13:32:36 <michaelS> All: discussion about the SHACL for ODRL: shoudl be provided on  a page/by a resource which can be edited by all.
13:32:41 <victor> http://odrlapi.appspot.com/
13:33:08 <michaelS> benws_: victor should get in touch with Simon
13:33:17 <Serena> yes, victor, the validator works. Thanks, great work.
13:35:09 <michaelS> benws_: any open issues?
13:35:20 <michaelS> ivan: could be make a strict planning
13:36:06 <michaelS> benws_: next Monday the SHACL should be ready and the Processing Rules should be updated
13:36:25 <michaelS> benws_: I have no more issues in my pocket
13:37:28 <michaelS> ivan: when to issue a request for the Candidate Recommendation?
13:38:37 <michaelS> ... when will this group take a vote on the two documents IM and Vocab
13:40:53 <michaelS> benws_: the Evaluator is still an open issue - much of it has been covered at this call
13:41:06 <michaelS> michaelS: covered by what?
13:41:35 <michaelS> benws_: The examples in the IM cover what is defined in the IM
13:42:37 <michaelS> ivan: will the documents be finalized on the 11 September?
13:42:48 <michaelS> ... and a vote should be taken.
13:43:26 <victor> s/again/about
13:43:32 <michaelS> ivan: Ben and Renato should look into his draft for the request to be sent to the W3C director
13:44:11 <victor> q+
13:44:18 <michaelS> ivan: as a result the request should be submitted on 12 or 13 September - then it will take 2 weeks of internal reviews
13:44:27 <michaelS> ... and the final CR will be published by the end of September
13:44:44 <renato> Free Beer ;-)
13:45:37 <michaelS> ivan: this Wg has to define how long the CR period will be.
13:46:09 <victor> http://odrlapi.appspot.com/
13:46:11 <michaelS> ... it could be e.g. for 1 month - THEN the implementations have to be presented
13:47:30 <michaelS> ivan: minimum time for a CR is 1 month, then the results of tests need to be considered and integrated
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13:48:56 <michaelS> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
13:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/04-poe-minutes.html michaelS
13:49:33 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:49:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/04-poe-minutes.html ivan
13:50:00 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
13:50:00 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:50:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been lindab, simonstey, ivan, renato, benws_, michaelS, CarolineB, Serena
13:50:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:50:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/04-poe-minutes.html trackbot
13:50:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:50:09 <RRSAgent> I see no action items