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14:03:55 <Thomas> AndreaPerego: I just forwarded you the connection details
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14:04:07 <Thomas> via mail
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14:05:50 <dsr> Approval of last week’s minutes
14:05:55 <Caroline> +1
14:06:01 <dsr> See https://www.w3.org/2017/08/28-dxwg-minutes
14:06:05 <Makx> +1
14:06:07 <dsr> +1
14:06:08 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> present+ Stijn_Goedertier_AIV
14:06:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:06:55 <Thomas> +1
14:07:22 <annette_g> I think we need the PROPOSED line before we can vote
14:08:08 <dsr> Andrea says his regrets for last week’s minutes is missing
14:08:15 <Caroline> you are right annette_g :)
14:09:00 <Caroline> suggest scribe PROPOSED: to approve last week's meeting adding Andrea in the regrets
14:09:21 <dsr> ROPOSED: to approve last week's meeting adding Andrea in the regrets
14:09:39 <dsr> s/ROPOSED?PROPOSED/
14:09:56 <AndreaPerego> Please also add my regrets in the other meetings in August - see my mail: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2017Aug/0004.html
14:09:56 <dsr> s/ROPOSED/PROPOSED/
14:10:04 <annette_g> +1
14:10:06 <Caroline> +1
14:10:09 <LarsG> +1
14:10:14 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
14:10:16 <AndreaPerego> 0 (not there)
14:10:20 <kcoyle> +1
14:10:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was not there)
14:10:35 <DaveBrowning> 0 (Not there)
14:10:45 <roba> 0
14:10:48 <dsr> RESOLVED: minutes of 28 August 2017 approved (subject to update to regrets)
14:10:58 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:10:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
14:13:22 <dsr> agenda?
14:13:59 <dsr> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.09.04
14:14:12 <dsr> Topic: Group reports
14:15:30 <dsr> Karen asks Jaroslav to show the requirements in an organised way
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14:16:06 <dsr> Jaroslav: people need to clone the repo …
14:16:22 <roba> Jaro - - can you share your screen?
14:16:51 <dsr> The problem is that  the github link shows the content not the rendered page
14:20:29 <dsr> See https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#
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14:20:45 <kcoyle> q?
14:20:50 <AndreaPerego> q-
14:22:38 <dsr> Jaroslav describes the buttons in the page that act act as filters.
14:23:01 <dsr> These work on a local clone of the repo, but not at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#
14:24:49 <dsr> Karen: I think we need a little more for how to organised the use cases and requirements. As a group we will need to prioritise them and decide in any of them should be dropped
14:24:50 <AndreaPerego> s/that act act/that act/
14:25:11 <roba> q+
14:25:12 <kcoyle> q?
14:25:44 <dsr> Javoslav: if we are only interested in the requirements, we could do that with some further coding.
14:26:03 <kcoyle> ack roba
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14:26:24 <dsr> Karen: we’re looking for a prioritised list of requirements as we had for the data on the web best practices work.
14:27:20 <dsr> Rob: the two options are either to go through the requirements individually, or for the people who provided the original use cases and to say of they are happy that the requirements have been adaequately described
14:27:44 <Caroline> DWBP Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/
14:27:50 <dsr> Karen: I don’t see this as an either/or choice
14:28:20 <dsr> Rob: I am not expecting the descriptions to be set in stone too early
14:29:03 <dsr> I am happy to deal with the editing process as we go
14:29:25 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
14:29:27 <dsr> Karen: I agree with the process of refining the requirements as we move forward
14:29:57 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:30:04 <dsr> I think the UCR task group could make some valuable assessment at an early stage
14:30:19 <roba> q+
14:30:40 <dsr> Jaroslav: could we stick with filtering and add other criteria
14:31:35 <dsr> Jaroslav: I looked at the DWBP but note that they had a different target for their work
14:32:29 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:32:31 <dsr> Jaroslav discusses ideas for adding further context to the document
14:33:48 <dsr> Rob suggests some ideas for grouping requirements
14:34:40 <dsr> Jaroslav: perhaps we can discuss this offline?
14:36:05 <dsr> What is the purpose of restructuring the requirements?  What ideas are there?
14:36:29 <PWinstanley_> q+
14:36:44 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley_
14:36:56 <dsr> Karen: asking people on the mailing list about ideas for clustering requirements would be valuable
14:37:15 <dsr> Peter: a graphical depiction of clustering could be helpful
14:37:32 <dsr> Jaroslav will contact Peter to discuss this further
14:37:50 <dsr> Karen: we will continue this on email
14:38:29 <dsr> Topic: Use cases
14:39:05 <dsr> Karen invites Peter to talk about use case ID50
14:39:15 <dsr> See https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#ID50
14:40:20 <dsr> This relates to changes when data is added or removed across different versions of a dataset
14:40:21 <roba> q+
14:40:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
14:40:33 <dsr> Karen: any comments?
14:40:33 <kcoyle> ack roba
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14:41:25 <dsr> Rob: I don’t have any problems with the use case, apart from it being written more as a requirement
14:42:32 <dsr> I suggest we review the requirements to see if they express the behaviour we need
14:43:12 <dsr> Karen: I don’t see the links to Peter’s …
14:43:21 <kcoyle> q?
14:43:23 <dsr> Rob: this is still work in progress
14:43:26 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:44:03 <dsr> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I understand that this could be interesting. This is about changes to context.
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14:44:25 <Thomas> q+
14:44:29 <dsr> Jaroslav asks Peter about the scenarios where this matters
14:45:31 <dsr> Peter: it determines the kinds of people who need to be involved e.g. IT experts versus others
14:46:15 <kcoyle> q?
14:46:59 <dsr> Jaroslav is concerned about contracts being broken …
14:47:30 <dsr> Peter: my focus here is on information content, and whether something is new or has been taken away
14:47:59 <roba> q+
14:48:05 <kcoyle> ack Thomas
14:48:20 <dsr> Thomas: it sounds to me like an application of the same dataset, so we don’t need …
14:48:56 <dsr> Peter: what about de-duplification ?
14:49:32 <dsr> Thomas explains …
14:49:58 <dsr> Karen: what hasn’t been covered in existing use cases?
14:49:59 <kcoyle> q?
14:50:03 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:51:01 <dsr> Rob: it concerns multiple things, the data set, the metadata, …
14:51:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
14:52:07 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:52:18 <dsr> Karen: even though we feel there is some duplication, can we vote on whether we feel this use case is worth including?
14:52:56 <dsr> Jaroslav: I consider this use case as highlighting a new aspect on versioning
14:53:04 <Makx> Additional use cases should always be useful.
14:53:14 <Makx> Happy to help there too
14:53:21 <Thomas> thx makx
14:53:27 <dsr> Karen: it sounds like this use case would benefit from rewording to make it sound more like teh others
14:53:28 <Makx> +1
14:53:35 <Thomas> +1
14:53:42 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
14:54:18 <dsr> Propose: accept ID50 is in scope for DXWG use cases with additional edits by Peter
14:54:21 <annette_g> +1
14:54:25 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:54:29 <PWinstanley_> +1
14:54:30 <Makx> +1
14:54:33 <Caroline> +1
14:54:33 <dsr> +1
14:54:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
14:54:35 <roba> +1
14:54:36 <Thomas> +1
14:54:37 <DaveBrowning> +1
14:54:41 <LarsG> +1
14:54:45 <Caroline> s/propose/PROPOSED
14:54:46 <kcoyle> s/Propose:/Proposed:
14:54:56 <kcoyle> +1
14:55:03 <Thomas> PWinstanley_: what's essential is whether the information content is changed or not.
14:55:19 <dsr> Karen: no objections so resolved
14:55:31 <dsr> RESOLVED: ID50 is in scope for DXWG use cases with additional edits by Peter
14:55:45 <Thomas> if the content stays the same but the format/bitesyze/... differs I don't thing we can talk about another version (at most a new version of a distribution)
14:55:48 <Thomas> (my two cents)
14:56:35 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
14:56:49 <Thomas> can we decide versioning req's in four minutes?
14:57:06 <Thomas> lol
14:57:06 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:57:26 <dsr> Jaroslav asks Karen if she wants to talk about requirements in respect to versioning
14:57:44 <Thomas> have to catch a train - apalogies for leaving now
14:59:11 <dsr> Karen: that’s it for today, I can’t make next week’s call and will see you all in two week’s time
14:59:35 <dsr> We should discuss the clustering and classification of requirements by email in the meantime.
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14:59:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Thanks, have a good week!
14:59:58 <annette_g> Thanks, all!
15:00:01 <AndreaPerego> Bye!
15:00:02 <dsr> Jaroslav suggests looking at how this has been done in other groups.
15:00:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
15:00:05 <LarsG> Thanks, bye
15:00:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
15:00:20 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> Thanks everyone
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15:00:47 <dsr> chair: Karen
15:00:53 <dsr> scribe: Dave
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15:02:36 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Ixchel Faniel, Alejandra, Antoine, Ruben
15:02:40 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Data Exchange Working Group
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15:04:46 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Data Exchange Working Group Teleconference
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