IRC log of wpwg on 2017-08-31

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Meeting: Web Payments Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 31 August 2017
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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170831
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Chair: NickTR
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present+ alyver
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present+ jean_luc_di_manno
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present+ Nicktr
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present+
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Zakim, who is here?
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Present: alyver, jean_luc_di_manno, Nicktr, Ian
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, alyver, cweiss, hober, pea13, canton, adamR, mkwst, schuki, emschwartz, dlongley, manu, JakeA, trackbot, dlehn, slightlyoff, adrianba, Dongwoo, ShaneM,
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... oyiptong, nicktr, Ian
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--> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170831 Agenda
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present+ zkoch
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present+ MattDeGanon
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Topic: Payment Apps
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Proposal: Disband the payment apps task force after PR API goes to CR; move conversations to this meeting
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Strong +1
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+1
14:06:51 [zkoch]
+1, though you can have your own editor mtg
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but substantive issues should be discussed here
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(IJ clarifies: Editors will still do work; WG will take on the decision-making around big issues)
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present+ Molly
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present+ AdrianHB
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adrianhb: +1
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+1
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topic: Payment Request API CR update
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Chair: Ian
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zkoch: We had to postpone Editor meeting until this afternoon...so I will have more after that meeting
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present+ dezell
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zkoch: Marcos has been raising issues/pull requests as he implements and tests
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...for some scenarios where we were ignoring issues, we have decided to fail more often now
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...these are small issues to adjust the spec regarding detailed behavior around failure cases
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....validating PMIs, avoiding duplicates
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...we finally merged a pull request regarding what to do when the user switches a tab when the PR is open
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...as I look at remaining issues, I believe the two remaining pull requests should close the last of the 2 substantive CR-dependent issues
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...one of them is to match existing browser behavior
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..our plan today at the editor meeting is to try to close the final issues
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...we hope to be done by the end of the week
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...I will follow up with an email to the group after the editor meeting
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present+ Ken
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ian: we have a group decision to go to CR
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...the remaining issues are about very fine details and error handling and so the decision is still valid
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...checking in with the group to ensure that that view represents consensus - does anyone have concerns about fixes proposed
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IJ: Any concerns by anyone about detailed fixes?
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[No comments]
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q?
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Ian: any other questions for Zach?
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present+ dezell
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zkoch: In response to IJ's comment, the things that Marcos is clarifying are really edge-cases
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Topic: Test suite status
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https://w3c-test.org/payment-request/
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http://wpt.fyi/payment-request
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Ian: this is a neat dashboard that shows you reports that can be generated from test suite
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...right now it's mostly red
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...many features are behind flags
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...Marcos believes manual testing is behind automated testing
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...we need to be able to show "green" to the director to exit CR
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Ian: It's my understanding that the browser engines all slurp up these tests and reports
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...so this activity is very valuable
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Ian: zkoch - any more on testing?
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zkoch: nope
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-> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/13-prapi-cr-trans-req.txt Draft transition request
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Ian: we will need stable URLs
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...then we send to the director. Hopefully he approves then we can publish
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Ian: Perhaps at TPAC we could look at interoperability issues - implementations side by side.
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...a "test fest"
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Topic: Payment Method Manifest
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IJ: What are the steps to FPWD?
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zkoch: let's do that after CR of PR API
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...we have submitted that spec to the TAG who has 2 questions
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Ian: I have raised a couple of issues and we need to put some issue markers in
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...let's turn our attention to that after CR
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topic: Rechartering
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https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-Nov2017
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Ian: It would be good to have a charter proposal ahead of TPAC
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...AC should be already reviewing by then
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Ian: Now we are a chartered group, we propose our own charter (it doesn't come from WPIG)
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q+
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a) What’s left to do in v1 of PR API and PMI?
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b) Should we start work right away on v2 features?
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c) I assume we will continue to work on Payment Handler API.
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d) What payment method specifications do we anticipate developing? (I am aware of three ideas
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beyond Basic Card.)
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e) What about out-of-browser payments? Do we want to return to those?
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q+ to talk about dates but also ongoing role around short names etc
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ack nicktr
14:25:36 [Zakim]
nicktr, you wanted to talk about dates but also ongoing role around short names etc
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nicktr: Let's talk about dates if we want to have our charter in review by TPAC
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..then we need a solid charter by the end of September
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...so that only gives us about 4 weeks to work through what we want to see in the first draft.
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..I am happy to take the lead on this (with Adrian and Ian)
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...in terms of ongoing activity, something we need to consider is our light governance role of short name
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...need to take that into account re: charter
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Ian: I think we should take this start on 7th September
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...please bring priorities to the call
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...what would you like us to stop/start/continue
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q?
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Topic: next meeting
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7 september
14:28:36 [zkoch]
cooool
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Ian: I may bring payment handler issues. Please as ever let us know about other issues
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Thanks all
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