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15:54:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:54:22 <trackbot> Date: 30 August 2017
15:54:30 <janina> agenda?
15:54:34 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:54:34 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:54:34 <janina> agenda+ CSS Task Force -- Ian
15:54:34 <janina> agenda+ Push API Next Steps
15:54:35 <janina> agenda+ Input Events -- Scheduled for Next Week
15:54:36 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:54:39 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:54:41 <janina> agenda+ Proposal re review attributions -- Michael
15:54:44 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:54:46 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:54:49 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:55:13 <janina> present+
15:55:17 <janina> chair: janina
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16:02:00 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:04:54 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_apa
16:05:38 <chaals> present+
16:06:32 <janina> scribe: janina
16:06:36 <janina> zakim, next item
16:06:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:07:13 <chaals> agenda?
16:07:25 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:07:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:07:26 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:07:26 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 [from janina]
16:07:28 <janina> zakim, next item
16:07:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:08:39 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:08:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:08:40 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:08:40 <Zakim> 3. CSS Task Force -- Ian [from janina]
16:09:11 <janina> zakim, take up item 4
16:09:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Push API Next Steps" taken up [from janina]
16:09:48 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/30-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:10:08 <MichaelC> q+
16:10:43 <tink> q+
16:10:58 <chaals> q+
16:11:08 <janina> ack m
16:11:27 <MichielBijl> Regrets+
16:11:45 <janina> mc: Unclear why an informative section would be judged "out of scope."
16:12:20 <janina> mc: Also unclear why a single individual can decide and close
16:12:31 <janina> mc: Seems insufficient communication
16:13:01 <janina> mc: Suggest we might need to inform Director commentor did not accept disposition--short of an FO
16:13:23 <janina> lw: Reason is editor empowered to determine
16:13:54 <janina> lw: Hard to include even informative when ref to outside spec--issues yet to be opened, and likely still open when Push goes TR
16:14:15 <janina> lw: Many specs reference Notifications API
16:14:34 <janina> lw: Seems slippery slope
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16:14:52 <janina> cn: No objection on principle
16:15:03 <MichaelC_> q+
16:15:09 <MichaelC_> ack t
16:15:11 <MichaelC_> ack c
16:15:17 <janina> cn: Problem content not specific to the spec it was to be included in
16:15:22 <janina> q?
16:15:43 <janina> cn: Appropriate all kinds of places --
16:17:02 <janina> js: Asks whether Notification draft sufficient to file?
16:17:09 <janina> cn: Yes -- don't wait for code
16:17:31 <janina> mc: Experience was super concrete proposals is preferred -- description alone insufficient
16:17:44 <tink> q+
16:17:51 <janina> ack m
16:18:02 <chaals> [I think what needs to be concrete is the clear problem statement, and I think that is in the draft]
16:18:41 <janina> mc: We have history of pointing to issues in other specs, esp WCAG
16:18:55 <chaals> s/draft/proposal for Notifications
16:19:04 <MichaelC_> ack me
16:19:34 <janina> lw: RE should code be in the proposal ...
16:19:47 <janina> lw: would be useful, but it's already good enough to start the discussion
16:20:42 <janina> q?
16:20:46 <janina> ack t