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13:53:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
13:53:49 <trackbot> Date: 21 August 2017
13:54:10 <Wilco> agenda+ Upcoming public working draft of the ACT Rules Format
13:54:52 <Wilco> agenda+ Review: https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R1.html
13:54:59 <Wilco> agenda+ Review: https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R2.html
13:55:04 <Wilco> https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R3.html
13:55:46 <Wilco> agenda+ Re-word Test cases to Test execution steps  https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/107
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14:01:50 <Kathy> present+
14:02:06 <tobias> present+
14:02:11 <rdeltour> present+
14:02:26 <anne_thyme> present+
14:02:33 <Kathy> scribe Kathy
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14:03:14 <Wilco> present+
14:03:15 <MoeKraft> present+ MoeKraft
14:03:20 <Sujasree> present+
14:03:20 <Wilco> agenda?
14:03:23 <shadi> present+
14:03:40 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Upcoming public working draft of the ACT Rules Format" taken up [from Wilco]
14:03:59 <Wilco> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF21AUG/results
14:04:00 <Kathy> Wilco - main topic is that we want to publish
14:04:10 <Kathy> ... we got some feedback
14:04:48 <Kathy> Stein Erik - two main comments
14:05:20 <Kathy> ... first one is about versioning, change from first draft.
14:06:01 <Kathy> ... could be introducing a mess, a check in a rule you should have version number and then you can check the results
14:06:57 <Kathy> ... second is test case types, we believe there are only two types tests - in the browser or http/non-rendered
14:07:20 <Kathy> ... simplification would be good because the document is complex already
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14:08:10 <Kathy> Tobias - some people have been confused about the types; the document already says that there could be other types
14:08:10 <skotkjerra> present+
14:08:40 <Kathy> Wilco - versioning, the comment is to not do two methods but sticking to one
14:09:08 <shadi> +1 to one consistent method of versioning
14:09:28 <shadi> q+
14:09:42 <Wilco> ack s
14:09:51 <Kathy> Shadi - put in an editor note for public review
14:09:59 <Kathy> ... we don't have to do a decision right now
14:10:29 <Kathy> ... editor note will give the options
14:10:53 <Kathy> Wilco - we can do an editor note to  collect feedback
14:11:01 <MoeKraft> q+
14:11:35 <Kathy> Moe - we should try not to be too prescriptive, we should not select one over the other
14:12:05 <Wilco> Editor note: The task force is considering different methods of identifying the version, either by number, date or other, and is looking for feedback on the subject from reviewers.
14:12:13 <Kathy> Wilco - what about this for the note
14:12:18 <rdeltour> +1
14:12:29 <tobias> +1
14:12:40 <MoeKraft> +1
14:12:42 <Kathy> ... does this address the concerns
14:12:54 <Kathy> +1
14:12:59 <anne_thyme>  +1
14:13:13 <shadi> +1
14:13:25 <rdeltour> q+
14:13:25 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:13:26 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Kathy
14:13:29 <shadi> q- m
14:13:34 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:13:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Kathy
14:13:56 <Wilco> ack rd
14:14:59 <Kathy> Romain - minor comment, ACT data format the Earl format specification does not match
14:15:13 <Kathy> Wilco - they are grouped by property
14:15:35 <Kathy> Romain - does this make it incompatible with Earl
14:15:52 <Kathy> Shadi - I don't think so, it is how it is translated
14:17:04 <Kathy> Shadi - we should remain compatible with Earl
14:17:54 <Kathy> Wilco - let's make a issue to update the appendix
14:18:05 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:18:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review: https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R1.html" taken up [from Wilco]
14:18:41 <Kathy> Wilco - the input types are over complicating the spec
14:19:29 <Kathy> ... the reason we have these 5, I have seen tests use all these types
14:20:00 <Kathy> ... dom tree tests are doing this (react has own dom library)
14:20:46 <Kathy> ... template and script testing; more speculative
14:21:08 <Kathy> ... can analyze JS code
14:21:18 <Kathy> ... all of them are valid environments
14:21:30 <Kathy> ... what are your thought on this
14:22:03 <Kathy> Stein Erik - in our world it is tested in browser or not
14:22:23 <anne_thyme> q+
14:22:23 <tobias> q+
14:22:26 <Kathy> ... your arguments are fair
14:22:31 <Wilco> ack a
14:22:47 <anne_thyme> q-
14:22:50 <Kathy> Tobias - what Wilco said makes sense
14:22:57 <Kathy> ... didn
14:23:04 <Kathy> t see that these were common types
14:24:10 <Kathy> ... people not technical, this could be confusing and we may want to elaborate and add examples
14:24:23 <Kathy> Wilco - should we add an issue to look at this
14:24:30 <MoeKraft> q+
14:24:34 <shadi> q+
14:24:47 <Kathy> ... should we add an editor note
14:24:52 <Wilco> ack t
14:24:53 <Kathy> Tobias - no just an issue
14:24:56 <Wilco> ack moe
14:26:01 <Kathy> Wilco - the issues is that some of these are too specific
14:26:04 <Wilco> ack s
14:27:31 <Kathy> Shadi - wanted to mention something about a person who is trying to write text for manual rules in this format.  The bookmarklet is to look at headings.  This is a mixed mode.  Should these be two separate tests?  They are getting permission to send the tests
14:27:43 <Kathy> ... we may be making this too specific
14:27:48 <Kathy> q+
14:27:56 <Wilco> ack k
14:29:39 <Kathy> Kathy - two separate rules
14:30:26 <Kathy> Shadi - there could be other scenarios, where they could be mixed rules.  Some thing to keep in mind
14:31:37 <Kathy> Wilco - can we get approval to send this to AG
14:31:51 <Kathy> Sujasree - there are still issues to fix
14:32:22 <Kathy> ... there are 200 issues in the examples
14:32:28 <Kathy> with color contrast
14:32:39 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-rules-format.html#output
14:32:41 <Kathy> Shadi - is this the spec?
14:32:51 <Kathy> Wilco - see example 5
14:33:17 <Kathy> ... this is the default CSS
14:33:50 <Kathy> ... there is also issues with the paragraph markers
14:34:15 <Kathy> Shadi - will follow up
14:35:04 <Kathy> Wilco - any objections to sending it to the AG
14:35:09 <Kathy> +1
14:35:10 <Sujasree> +1
14:35:10 <anne_thyme> +1
14:35:10 <tobias> +1
14:35:13 <rdeltour> +1
14:35:13 <shadi> +1
14:35:34 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  send to the AG group
14:35:47 <shadi> agenda?
14:36:37 <Kathy> Wilco - we are agenda item 2
14:36:37 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:36:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review: https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R1.html" taken up [from Wilco]
14:38:09 <Kathy> Wilco - text updated and examples added
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14:39:04 <Kathy> Wilco - any objections to this going out to the AG
14:39:20 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:39:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review: https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R2.html" taken up [from Wilco]
14:39:44 <Kathy> Tobias - cleaned up the assumption section
14:40:05 <Kathy> ... added in test cases
14:41:11 <Kathy> Wilco - need to add in the text alternative
14:41:47 <Kathy> ... anything else on this one?
14:42:26 <Kathy> ... no comments
14:42:32 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:42:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Re-word Test cases to Test execution steps  https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/107" taken up [from Wilco]
14:42:36 <MoeKraft> q+
14:42:44 <Wilco> ack moe
14:43:07 <Kathy> Moe - we should use test execution not test case
14:43:30 <Kathy> Wilco - we are using test steps
14:44:27 <Kathy> ... only in the second one
14:44:49 <Kathy> ACT-2
14:45:06 <rdeltour> s/ACT-2/ACT-R2/
14:45:32 <Wilco> TOPIC: ACT-R3 https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R3.html
14:46:07 <Kathy> Wilco - took out step 5 text about video
14:46:13 <Kathy> ... few wording changes
14:46:36 <Kathy> ... changed the selector
14:46:43 <Kathy> to check for source
14:47:27 <Kathy> ... examples page has a warning since the video/audio starts automatically
14:47:50 <Kathy> ... any other comments
14:48:32 <Kathy> Wilco - do we need to move this to the W3C site?
14:49:21 <Kathy> Shadi - let's take this offline to figure out where it needs to go
14:49:55 <Kathy> zakim, take up next
14:49:55 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Kathy
14:50:04 <Wilco> TOPIC: Reword test cases
14:50:30 <Kathy> Moe - the section that we had with test cases, changed to test execution
14:50:42 <Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/107/files?diff=split
14:51:27 <Kathy> Wilco - this will not go into the draft
14:51:46 <Kathy> ... looks good to me
14:52:36 <Kathy> Moe- some language updated to clarify step vs. execution
14:53:29 <Kathy> +1
14:53:32 <tobias> +1
14:53:57 <shadi> +1
14:54:02 <rdeltour> maybe just "Outline of the actions neccessary to..." ?
14:54:31 <Kathy> Moe - should we merge?  Hold off until published
14:54:52 <Wilco> agenda?
14:54:54 <Kathy> Wilco - update with the last change and we will hold
15:14:54 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:14:54 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:14:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kathy, tobias, rdeltour, anne_thyme, Wilco, MoeKraft, Sujasree, shadi, skotkjerra
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15:15:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:15:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items